Internet scams

[Gotti]

hi there! new problem today!

The thing stands thus: i'm doing some business with a beijing ren who owns an online store. But lately he's kind of ignoring me,my emails,my messages and so on. I paid him 90 euros for the latest purchase and he disappeared eversince. NOW,i'm attending only first -year courses of mandarin at university,hence i haven't got too much vocabolary to speak fluently in the very language,and i DO need your help. I need to write something quite "Scaring" such as "If you don't understand clearly my language i'll use your own to make it clearer:I do have your adress,the bank monitored the transactions through bankwire, if you keep on avoiding me i'll be obliged to go to the police"

Ok ,that was quite stupid of me,i know . But i do believe that this man works well only if he's scared. Otherwise he'll never send me the object i'm sure of that.

I could write something on my own but i want to be sure that he feels like i'm a serious one,so i can't afford to make grammar mistakes

Can you help me guys?

[gougou]

You've been screwed. Put it down under experience, and take more time choosing business partners next time.

While scaring him might work, I'd bet that it doesn't. And going to the police ain't gonna help either - or can you proove that you never received anything in return for your 90 euros?

[文言訓開班]

something like that's bound to get you beat up, arrested, or who knows what. it sounds like you don't really have an option--if you can prove that you paid him 90e for something he didn't deliver, you might get the money back thru the police, or 警察 jing1 cha3. if not, i wouldn't push it. take the expensive lesson for all it's worth.

[lilongyue]

What cost you 90 Euros? And what's the website? Might help others to know not to do business with this guy.

Actually, maybe we sould start a thread about companies and business not to trust?

[gougou]

Actually, maybe we sould start a thread about companies and business not to trust?

I doubt that we have enough storage capacity for that!

Seriously though, this is usually not a case of a handful of companies that devise complex strategies trying to con others out of their money; there's plenty of people that'll take your money and run. Not much use in listing the few that forum members have already encountered. Even for people we are more likely to run into, like crooked visa agents, I would imagine that there are more than members here...

[imron]

警察 jing1 cha3.

The pinyin for this should be jǐngchá, not jīngchǎ.

[Gotti]

the site's called cccieg.com. Check out for yourself^^

[imron]

Doing a google search for cccieg has this as one of the results on the first page:

CCCIEG.COM BEWARE! FRAUD WEBSITES DONT DO TRANSACTIONS! TAKES MONEY NEVER SENDS GOODS.

So I'm guessing you've been had. The extraordinarily cheap prices should have been a clue.

If something seems too good to be true, it usually is.

That's probably not very comforting to hear, but chalk it up as a 90 Euro lesson that you'll never forget.

[roddy]

Half price electronics, payment by Western Union, and a reputation on ebay as fraudsters - I think you can probably say goodbye to your money. However you say latest payment - did you actually get anything from this guy in the past?

[Yiwan]

In an attempt to scare him, you may write this.

亲爱的先生:

您要知道, 俺有您的地址, 您的银行帐号, 有关您的资料俺啥都有. 若不如期归还俺的银子, 俺可就报警了. 俺在中国公安部门里有人, 就算你小子儿躲到天涯海角, 俺都要把你给揪出来! 到时候嘛, 可不要怪我心狠手辣了, 你也知道公安叔叔们可不是什么善男信女的吧!

署名

[Bibiy]

Maybe you can complain to the administrator on website where his store is,administrator will mediate for you

[ncollier]

Fraud alert for a fraudulent Chinese Company:

For the latest update to this fraud report, please see http://www.expressgsm.com/fraud.htm

We have been defrauded by a fake Chinese Company calling itself Vision International Co.,ltd or Vision Trade International Co.,ltd or HuaCheng Foreign Trading Co.,Ltd (Probably fake company names)

These people use the domain names ebay23.com ebay26.com ebay27.com ec30.com ec201.com and sccii.com We were defrauded of $1,500 and we intend to push this issue until the seller and all other parties who are knowingly involved are prosecuted for fraud and our funds are recovered.

We are building a case to submit to UK police for investigation with details of the persons identity based on his gold membership of tradekey.com. We have had arranged to drop ship 4 Apple Iphones to various customers and we will soon be in possession of signed statements from these customers stating what happened.

We are Compiling a file on this person based on names, addresses, correspondence data, Tradekey data, signed statements from the 4 drop ship customers, domain WHOIS data, domain registration information, details of the order correspondence, the payment data from Western Union, other wire transfer and bank details given by this party, the website data and data from the credit card processors which filed notes from the customers from their complaints and data from other people were defrauded by this person/ company who have posted on internet trade message boards. We will present this file to the UK Police and the Chinese Embassy in London. We have already closed down this person/ company’s ability to receive funds through Western Union and have got one of their Tradekey listings delisted for fraud. We are working with Tradekey to get their other listing delisted.

Could we please ask that you do not trade with this party and you to suspend/ freeze any accounts that you hold for this party immediately so that no further people get defrauded. I am willing to submit to you the file that I have on this person should you require it at this stage, or at a later stage when the file is complete. Please feel free to contact me UK time between 8am and 11pm on one of the phone numbers below, as well as the police report and court injunction when it gets to that stage.

Incident details

We ordered 5 x Apple Iphones from a Chinese company called as follows:

We paid a total of $1,500 by Western Union in 2 transactions.

We are sent 5 non Apple junk phones with an Apple logo on them and they did not even power on.

Name: Vision International Co.,ltd / Vision trade International Co.,ltd / HuaCheng Foreign Trading Co.,Ltd (Probably fake company names)

Address: No. 933, Wenxian West Road, Chengxiang District, Putian City, Fujian Province. China

Alternative Address: 182, Lujiazu east road,Pudong new district,Shanghai,China

Website: www.ebay23.com / www.ec30.com / www.ec201.com / www.ebay26.com / www.ebay27.com / www.sccii.com

Domain registrars: ec30.com (Padhosts.com), ec201.com (gold-domain.com), ebay26.com (godaddy.com), ebay27.com (godaddy.com), sccii.com (padhost.com)

DNZ Zone file holder: www.enom.com

Webhoster / Webserver IP address: 66.79.181.150 (Part of Arin IP block issued to secureserver.net)

Website designer: livesolution@hotmail.com

'Vision International' Phone numbers: +86 136 269 07519 / +86 594 276 8586 / +86 594 138 598 77964 / +86 594 2694457 / +86 136 0750 1493 / +86 15860007023 / +86 594 2768787 (Ben)

Hotmail email/ Messenger addresses: e-bay23@hotmail com / e-bay24@hotmail.com / e-bay26@hotmail.com / eb-ay27@hotmail.com / ec-30@hotmail.com / vision-201@hotmail.com /

Yahoo email/ messenger addresses: andy_chang777@yahoo.com

Contact given name: 'Jimmy'

Aliases/ Name: 'Jimmy Zhang' / 'Oliver' / 'Mr. chen zhong' / 'Ben'

The Western Union details:

First Name: LiJuan

Second Name: Wu

City: Putian

Province: Fujian

Country: China

or

First Name: Min

Second Name: Liu

City: Putian

Country: China

or

Fisrt name: Famei

Last name: Guan

Country: China

Moneygram details:

Second Name: Wu

City: Putian

Province: Fujian

Country: China

or

First Name: Wensen

Second Name: Chen

City: Putian

Country: China

or

Fisrt name: Famei

Last name: Guan

Country: China

Bank information given:

SWIFT NO.: BKCHCNBJ73C

PAYEE: LIJUAN WU

BANK: BANK OF CHINA PUTIAN BRANCH

USD A/C NO.: 4552301-0188-093485-7

or

Bank of China (T/T)

Beneficiary instition: Bank of China PuTian Branch

Swift: BKCHCNBJ73C

Payee: LIU ZONG WEI

Ben's account: 4552301-0188-093503-9

or

Bank of China (T/T)

SWIFT No.: BKCHCNBJ73C

Payee: Famei Guan

USD A/C NO.: 4552312-0188-015772-7

*****DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY UNLESS YOU WANT TO LOSE YOUR MONEY*****

*****IF YOU HAVE BEEN DEFRAUDED BY THESE PEOPLE, PLEASE EMAIL ME THE CASE DETAILS AND SCANNED DOCUMENTS SO I CAN ADD THEM TO THE EXISTING CASE FILE AGAINST THEM****

We are now having to file a crime report with the police, file with Western Union, and file a crime report with Chinese law enforcement agencies, get their websites blocked and file a county coury injunction against these people to get internet providers to close down their accounts.

[flameproof]

ncollier

There are better places to look for support. Maybe it's a good idea to have a separate thread opened for "Internet Scams" and "Business Scams".

How can anyone believe that in scam and fake rich China one could get any branded item? In the best scenario you would get good fakes. In a normal scenario you get nothing, or worse, get ask for more money for custom fees, insurance, full surcharge surcharge, or whatever crosses their mind.

Those who got scammed, I wonder what type business people they are? Don't they work with "warning lights"? A branded item that is officially not sold in China, a company that uses Western Union, a company asking to have funds wired to a private account.

Here is an excellent link, there is no hope though:

http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/191584/How_to_deal_with_online_scammers_located_in_China_.htm

[imron]

Those who got scammed, I wonder what type business people they are? Don't they work with "warning lights"? A branded item that is officially not sold in China, a company that uses Western Union, a company asking to have funds wired to a private account.

Not to mention prices well below the market price. All of these things should have been setting the warning bells clanging. Sometimes though, I guess greed gets the better of common sense.

[gougou]

Moved the last two points here, as they're on fraudulent companies as well.

If you've been had, this can be the place to cry your heart out.

[md1101]

c'mon lets not try and rub it in. im sure the lost money is more than enough pain.

[flameproof]

Warning Signals:

• International brands are offered very cheap
  
• Website/shop only in English (unusual for a China website)
  
• Does not accept wire transfer..
  
• ..or asks for wire transfer to a private bank account
  
• Will not accept L/C (letters of credit) or credit cards payments
  
• Accepts Western Union
  
• email contact is often @hotmail.com ,@163.net or other generic domains
  
• Shop site usually just a few weeks old (do a WHOIS search for the domain)
  
• Shop has a very wide range of different products
  

Currently China is THE place for fakes and scams, soon I have more trust in Nigerians.

[roddy]

c'mon lets not try and rub it in. im sure the lost money is more than enough pain.

Well, I was about to say something similar. But then I noticed ncollier's website. When someone is actually in the business of selling mobile phones online is falling for this kind of thing, sympathy is limited.

There's no point in naming and shaming these people anyway - names change, and no shame is felt. As has been said, don't buy cheap branded electronics via Western Union. That's all you need to know.

[gougou]

# email contact is often @hotmail.com ,@163.net or other generic domains

You're list has many valid points, but this one I wouldn't overrate. I visit many companies for my job, and while it is safe to say that most of them are not run according to the latest in management science, they're decent companies all in all. Yet the vast majority will use 163.com email addresses (except for the CEO, who might have splurged on a vip.163.com one ).

[flameproof]

I did some research on Alibaba.com . Most scams come right now from Putian, Fujian. There are probably at least 100 companies listed in Putian that scam. Might be just one company with 100 different listings though.

It should also be noted that Alibaba.com does not care if Gold Pass members are fraudulent or not. So that means nothing. Another useful link:

http://resources.alibaba.com/discussion_board/103289/report_suspicious_companies.htm