qun/chun & ri/re

[wontonsoup]

i know the differences in pronounciation of many 'q' and 'ch' pinyin, for eg:

chuan is chu-wan, and

quan is chu-an

but, what differences are there in the pronounciation for qun/chun and ri/re.

especially the first one

i have a feeling for the second one and that is that 're' kinda carries on the 'e' a bit longer, like ri-e, am i correct?

[skylee]

The u in "quan" is actually ü. The u in "chuan" is "u".

Listen to "chuan1" -> http://lost-theory.org/chinese/phonetics/sounds/chuan1.wav

Listen to "quan1" -> http://lost-theory.org/chinese/phonetics/sounds/quan1.wav

As to the other pronunciations, you might find this post by imron useful.

[wontonsoup]

oh yeah that's right, i knew that, forgot to mention and didn't know how to write those dots anyway.

anyway...that post you suggested wasn't much help, and one else who can help?

[xiaocai]

But what difference you are looking for, other than how to write and pronounce them?

[wontonsoup]

what?????

i didn't ask for differences in writing, or even any other differences, just if there is a difference in pronounciation of chun and qun, and ri and re.

[xiaocai]

Oh, ok, coz I thought skylee's post has pretty much mentioned all the differences I could think of...

Maybe you could tryhere, which I think is quite good in a phonologic sense as well as being pragmatic. Hope it helps.

[HashiriKata]

i didn't ask for differences in writing, or even any other differences, just if there is a difference in pronounciation of chun and qun, and ri and re.

Yes, there are clear differences:

/chun/ vs /qun/: the initial consonants are different: /ch/ vs /q/; the vowels are also different: /u/ vs /ü/. Obviously you can hear the differences and read about them from the links given above, but if you are already familiar with the pair /chu/ vs /qu/, then this pair /chu/ vs /qu/ represents identical differences to /chun/ vs /qun/ .

/ri/ vs /re/: the only difference is in the vowels and the best way to hear the diference is to listen to them using the links provided.

[Rhubarb]

oh yeah that's right, i knew that, forgot to mention and didn't know how to write those dots anyway.

You guys are incredible, yes you mentioned that in your very first post :

i know the differences in pronounciation of many 'q' and 'ch' pinyin, for eg:

chuan is chu-wan, and

quan is chu-an

we can clearly see that you mean the u in "u-wan" is like glue whereas the u in "u-an" is the u in rue de...Cannes?.

but, what differences are there in the pronounciation for qun/chun and ri/re.

especially the first one

i have a feeling for the second one and that is that 're' kinda carries on the 'e' a bit longer, like ri-e, am i correct?

for qun/chun it's the difference between ü (chu-an) and ^ (cut, crud).

for ri/re you're correct about the 'e'.

[skylee]

wontonsoup, I am so sorry that I did not read you post carefully and did not provide the most appropriate information in my #2.

[wontonsoup]

ok, i think i kinda get it now

chun is like saying 'chu' then just ending with the 'n'

and

qun is like chuen (with the dots on top of 'u')

thanks guys, i used to actually pronounce them both the same way, with the latter one

[roddy]

On q / ch, this might be useful - difference between q and ch.