SWWLiu Posted March 4, 2008 at 04:40 PM Report Posted March 4, 2008 at 04:40 PM 井 (well' date=' for drawing water); 丼 (the sound something, like a stone, makes when dropped into a well). [/quote'] 丼 is Chinese and is pronounced dǎn. However' date=' as it represents a sound, can it be a true pictograph? What does a sound look like? Similarly, two fires together do not look like flames to me nor do three fires look like cinders. [/quote'] PS - found some more information here - Quoted by skylee: 很多人對「丼」有點誤解,以為它是個日本字。但這樣的說法,似是而非。華語的現代生 活用語裡,「丼」字的出現確實受了日本文化影響,可是「丼」並非日本人創的字,而是 正宗漢字。辭海裡對它的解釋有二,其一)唸ㄐㄧㄥˇ,即井字的古字;其二)唸ㄉㄢˇ, 即東西投到井裡的聲音。 I do agree with the first and last lines of liuzhou's comments as well as skylee's citation. As for the middle statements, the original selector/designer of this character apparently had a mischievous streak and gave a picture of the action (i.e., a concrete physical setting) associated with the sound: a bird's-eye view of, say, a stone dropping into a well. Wouldn't you agree, liuzhou, that a snapshot of this action suffices to capture the essence of the character「丼」, whether or not you are around to hear the splash? As to the ancient character 「丼」, it was recorded already in the ShuoWen dictionary in the First Century in Han Dynasty (東漢 許慎「說文解字」), arguably the very first "encyclopedic dictionary" of the world, completed centuries before Diderot's work. There were multiple meanings for「丼」, one of which was "eight families sharing (and surrounding) one water well." As to the last statement in liuzhou's comments, I think the doubling and tripling of a character is an intensifier of the effect of fire (火). One can therefore allow one's imagination run wild in order to picture the higher intensity and its effects. In the nearly one dozen wildfires that occurred over a few days in 2007 in Southern California under fierce Santa Ana winds (up to 70 miles per hour), the effect of 焱 (burning cinders from a fire) in "house hopping" in residential areas was horrendous and tragic, with loss of many lives and properties. Quote
SWWLiu Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:42 PM Report Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:42 PM Just came across this in a separate post: http://baike.baidu.com/pic/1/11642641321422976.jpg in which are shown "pictographs" of 日,月,車,馬。 Quote
zozzen Posted March 5, 2008 at 05:51 PM Report Posted March 5, 2008 at 05:51 PM 卵 --- my teacher said it's a word for ovary. Anatomy was possibly well-developed in ancient china. 嬲 --- "Two men, one woman" becomes angry. A funny cantonese word. Quote
ciaocibai Posted March 10, 2008 at 04:32 PM Report Posted March 10, 2008 at 04:32 PM what about 笑 and 哭? i think they are both pretty straight forward! Quote
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