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June 20, 2007

Chinese-forums.com is pleased to announce the launch of its regular Newsletter to keep registered members up-to-date on what's new. This announcement and first issue has been sent to all users, but to make sure the newsletter reaches only people who want it, subsequent issues will be sent only to users who subscribe. To subscribe, reply to this e-mail using the one-word subject 'subscribe' or visit this link:

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To business:

Chinese-forums.com continues to grow, with user numbers and posts all increasing steadily. If you haven't visited for a while, here are some links that may come in handy:

Our home page lists the newest topics and latest replies so you can see at a glance what's happening.

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For a listing of some of the most active and interesting recent topics, read on . . .

The Chinese tones are as always a challenge for many learners. The ongoing "How can I get better at tones" discussion is the ideal place to share any frustrations with fellow students - and pick up a few tips that might come in handy.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/6539-how-could-i-get-better-at-tones

On a related issue, some of our braver members have been posting audio files of their speaking for constructive criticism and pointers. You can find a couple of the more recent ones at the links below - and there's nothing to stop you attaching a recording to a post of your own if you want.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12179-please-criticize-my-accent-mercilessly

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15-cctv-learn-chinese577

A number of our users will be taking the HSK Advanced exam shortly. If you'll be joining them, are interested in taking the exam in the future, or just want to come along and wish them luck, see here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/5001-anyone-taken-the-hsk-advanced

And anyone battling with the new online registration system for the HSK will be pleased to learn they aren't alone:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12232-hsk-registration-how-did-you-do-it

User suggestions and the tireless efforts of Doumeizhen have brought us the Best of Chinese Study Tools - More a selection of what's been found to work than an exhaustive list of everything available. Take a look and see if there's anything you can make use of, and perhaps suggest some of your own favorites.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/8195-best-of-chinese-study-tools-studying-chinese-online-and-off

Podcasts have become a choice source of listening material for many, with Chinesepod being the best known. Relevant discussions include:

Chinesepod - does it work? http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11192-chinesepodcom-does-it-really-work

Other sources of podcasts: http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/10639-chinese-podcasts-w-transcripts

Antiwave - China's best podcast? http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11268-antiwave-back-online

Anyone suffering from an overdose of 'de's, 'le's and 'ba's might want to check out the following list of discussions on China's trickiest grammar points:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/3034-all-simple-yet-confusing-grammar-rules

Ever promised to speak Chinese and nothing but Chinese? Our discussion on Language Pledges looks at the problems and benefits.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12202-language-pledges

There's been robust discussion lately on the roles of Mandarin and Cantonese in Guangdong - read on at the below link

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11792-putonghua-ization-or-cantonization-in-guangdong

Chinese-forums.com now features a Chinese Corner, specifically for learners to practice their Chinese alongside a number of friendly native speakers. If you want to give it shot, log in and click the below link

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42

Anyone en route to China will know that organizing accommodation can be one of the biggest headaches. Fortunately we have a number of valuable discussions on just this topic. Anyone heading to BLCU will find the BLCU Housing discussion invaluable

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/63-taiwanese-writer-san-mao26

And if you are currently living in China you can help the new arrivals figure out what's available where at what price by posting in the following small but growing list:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11322-your-accommodation-in-china

Ever want to type Pinyin, but find it's just too much trouble to run that Word macro / go to that webpage / open that bit of software you downloaded. No longer, thanks to Pinyinput, programmed by forums regular Imron - download, install and type away.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/10274-pinyinput-type-pinyin-with-tone-marks

Favorite Chinese Song discussion continues:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/10-is-chinese-grammar-easy-dont-you-just-love-chinese-words219

Along with some thoughts on recent Chinese movies (watch out for spoilers), including:

The Banquet: http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/8918-%e3%80%8a%e5%a4%9c%e5%ae%b4%e3%80%8bthe-banquet

Curse of the Golden Flower: http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11159-curse-of-the-golden-flower-%e6%bb%a1%e5%9f%8e%e5%b0%bd%e5%b8%a6%e9%bb%84%e9%87%91%e7%94%b2-spoiler-free

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Posted

October 3, 2007

Subscribers!

A mere three or four months after the first issue of the Chinese-forums.com Weekly Newsletter, I'm proud to bring you . . . the second. The delay is of course nothing to do with a lack of interesting content - more a case of me not getting around to doing what I should be doing, as usual.

So, no further ado, here's ten or so links of what's particularly worth reading on Chinese-forums.com at the moment.

First off, I'm happy to announce the launch of Chinese-forums.com Wikis, which has been under discussion and development over the last couple of months. This new feature allows users to collaborate on articles, editing and adding as they see fit. For more info you can see the initial discussion here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/176-chinese-poetry79

and the actual result (quite possibly still in need of some tweaking) here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

Don't know how to say 'shuffle about with the backs of one's shoes trodden down' in Chinese? You've obviously missed out on the new 'Random Word of the Day' thread - come along and share with us those odd words which just pop up here and there:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14374-random-new-word-of-the-day

Anyone who is thinking of taking an HSK exam in the near future may want to read the following discussion - Hanban, the office responsible for overseeing Chinese language examinations, is refusing to approve the revised edition of the HSK exam, leaving doubt over what exams we'll be taking in the future:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14357-hsk-the-renegade-exam

Ever tried to just put your foot down and refused to speak English for the sake of those precious Chinese skills? Tell us how you got on here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14480-refusing-to-speak-english-success-rate

A question any of us who've lived in China for any length of time have probably asked themselves - Can Foreigners Adapt to Chinese Culture?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14532-can-foreigners-adapt-to-chinese-culture

Fancy not combing your hair for a month? Check out a long and at times robust discussion on China's post-childbirth traditions:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/196-how-difficult-is-learning-chinese-characters43

Curious about sarcasm in China? Try this:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14288-sarcasm&

That's all for now - hope to see you reading and posting at Chinese-forums.com, and I'll be in touch again in another 'week'. Enjoy your National Day holiday, those of you who get one . . .

Roddy

Posted

December 11, 2007

Subscribers!

Welcome to another great newsletter. Here's the current batch of links on interesting and lively topics at Chinese-forums.com!

To check out the topics you've been posting to previously head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php and see what others have said since you've been online.

Those with a taste for all things romantic and the affairs of star-crossed lovers will get a kick out of this thread posted by a woman looking for a little translation help in writing up a 'Dear John' love letter. There's more to our forums than learning the language!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1176

Help yourself learn Chinese all that much faster by taking part in our Book of the Month forums. The first link takes you to November's book of the Month, the second to early discussion of December's. Why aren't you reading it?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14978-botm-november-2007%ef%bc%8c%e3%80%8a%e9%9b%b7%e9%9b%a8%e3%80%8b

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15322-botm-december-2007

Interest in the upcoming Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1 by James W. Heisig & Timothy W. Richardson continues.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14001-remembering-simplified-hanzi-1-and-remembering-traditional-hanzi-1

Ever noticed that sometimes things just don't sound like your dictionary told you they would. Find out why, here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14520-pronunciation-in-dictionaries-and-in-reality

Feel like confusing yourself? Drop in on this long-running and recently resurrected thread to find all kinds of Chinese words with absolutely no English equivalent. Ponder the words for welcoming a customer into your shop. Or examine the Emperor's way of saying 'I'. You can also drop in and give us some English words that have no Chinese equivalents!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12-horse-horse-tiger-tiger-slang-and-idioms8

Users of the New Chinese Practical Reader might be interested to find texts from the books are being reproduced in electronic format for easy use with your desktop PC dictionary and flashcard programs.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15467-npcr-books-23-texts-only-editing-help-needed

The Economist magazine has recently run an article about the pitfalls of trying to learn Chinese - 'could learning Chinese be a fad for misguided fools?' Drop in and let us know what you think. Tell us how you benefited from learning Chinese or how it was all a big mistake!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1193

Being technology focused can be a great way to explore Chinese culture and language while online. Check out this thread to find some nifty Chinese-Chinese Dictionaries to help you further understand Chinese while surfing the internet.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1159

Many thanks for reading this week's newsletter and for continuing to frequent our forums. If you have any suggestions for our regular updates or just want to send your compliments feel free to send an email to admin@chinese-forums.com

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Posted

December 17, 2007

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Another great week has passed here at Chinese-forums.com, with some great new topics popping up on the forum in Grammar and Vocabulary. If you want to learn the words for certain book genres or different religions make sure you pop in at the threads listed below.

Lastly, to check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you've been online.

Reading and Writing

It seems there is a bit of confusion over the pronounication and tones for Empress Dowager Cixi's name . . .Is it Ci2Xi3 or Ci2Xi1? Be sure to drop by this thread and throw in your opinion before the discussion winds up.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15214-%e6%85%88%e7%a6%a7%e5%a4%aa%e5%90%8e-cixi

Martial Arts and Calligraphy enthusiasts will find this thread interesting. A forum poster begins a debate over the writing on a logo for Bruce Lee's Martial Arts system, The Way of the Intercepting Fist. Do you think someone who didn't know a lick of hanzi copied the writing on the image? Or is it an uncommon form of calligraphy?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15415-strange-characters-in-jeet-kun-do-logo

We've learned that there's a new book out for learning Chinese characters simply called, 'Learning Chinese Characters' that you might enjoy. If you wish to know more drop in at:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1283

Grammar and Vocabulary

Reading buffs will want to know the specific words for some of their favorite genres when looking for a good book. You'll never know when you may be popping into a bookstore in China or one of the surrounding Chinese-speaking countries for that next bestselling tome. This link will take you to a thread that helps one poster figure out the ins and outs of Chinese literary genres.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1289

Sometimes the meaning of a good phrase is just lost in translation from English to Chinese. The humor and meaning behind your best catchphrases are lost as soon as you attempt a literal word for word translation. Well, now 'wild horses couldn't drag you away' from this thread that has posters discussing an appropriate Chinese phrase which means the same as the above phrase.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2114-difference-between-chinese-culture-and-european-culture3

If you want to carry out a philosophical or religious discussion in Chinese, you'll find these translations for several religions from English into Chinese very helpful. Other less philosophical folks can find it helpful just to know the proper word for their own religion if the topic comes up.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2113-the-jews-of-kaifeng5

Living in China

It can be a bit annoying when you try to look something up online and you're blocked! One poster in particular complained about his search for different provinces in China being blocked by the filters. Drop in and give your own opinion or relate a story about your own internet searches being blocked.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15548-google-blocked-when-looking-for-provinces

Speaking and Listening

Who out there finds it annoying when the pause in your language learning program is a little too short for you to respond to the speaker's question? One poster is trying to figure out if it's okay for him to press the pause button on his Pimsleur Course in Mandarin or if he should just try to reply more quickly . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2114-difference-between-chinese-culture-and-european-culture1

How do you pronounce the pinyin letter 'X' in your speaking Chinese? That's the big poll question of this thread. Follow the link and answer the poll, then stick around and talk it over with the other forum readers. Some find it annoying when foreigners use 'Sh' for the letter 'X', others say that they routinely hear people use the sound 'S' for the letter 'X'. What's been your experience?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1092

Chinese Computing and Technology

Handheld electronics are all the rage these days. It is better to buy one while you are living in China or have someone ship or bring your cool gadgets from home? Those who travel in and out of China a lot may find this thread interesting on the merits of buying a Palm TX for use in China or one meant for use in another country.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2113-the-jews-of-kaifeng8

Trying to get your computer software to enable full Chinese language and character support can be frustrating to say the least. If you are having a few problems getting full Chinese support on a computer or had them and defeated them drop in at this thread and let the readers know all about your experience.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1235

Chinese Culture

Reality television has crossed the oceans and is now making a hit on Chinese television. Those living in China might find it interesting to watch and compare the Chinese show 'Win In China' to the American version 'The Apprentice' for some cultural insights. You could also click on the link below and see how other forum visitors felt about the differences between the two shows. As they say, 'Win in China' . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2113-the-jews-of-kaifeng4

The task of naming a baby is a tough one as the poster in this thread is finding out! Drop in on this thread and help her out with a few ideas or just to give her your opinion on the names that she's already thought up. Perhaps you can think of a few names that are the same in Chinese and English?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15525-help-us-name-a-baby-girl-%e5%b8%ae%e5%8a%a9%e6%88%91%e4%bb%ac%e9%80%89%e4%b8%aa%e5%b0%8f%e5%a5%b3%e5%a9%b4%e5%84%bf%e7%9a%84%e5%90%8d

Thank you for reading this week's newsletter and for continuing to frequent our forums. If you have any suggestions for our regular updates or just want to send your compliments feel free to send an email to admin@chinese-forums.com

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Posted

December 24, 2007

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Happy holidays to those living in China and all over the world. We hope you are having a unique and fun holiday. Feel free to post on your holiday in China if you like to let fellow posters know what Christmas is like where you are staying this year.

Just like last week, to check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you've been online.

Reading and Writing

Reading someone's handwriting can be difficult in your own language, but when you are a language learner trying to piece together the meaning in a handwritten note it can be impossible! Check this thread for a chance to vent and to find some helpful books for reading handwritten hanzi.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17-staring-and-speaking-the-language-well304

Grammar and Vocabulary

Would you consider this thread the best or do you just think it is? Follow the link below for a quick study in the difference in meaning between 'think' and 'consider' in the written language.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15564-think

Get a lesson on classical Chinese when you head to this thread to learn the particular function on one hanzi character. On a side note, when does learning the language progress into learning the history?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15564-think

Resources and General Study Issues

This thread wonders how long someone should stay in China to internalize the language and make it stick when they leave for home. One year, two years, three years or more can be a major time investment. Weigh in with your opinion and your experience.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12750-how-long-do-you-have-to-stay-in-china-to-make-it-stick

Chinese Computing and Technology

Technical issues with Chinese characters on your Pocket PC? Which is better, saving the file as a UTF-8 document and opening in word or converting your files to the Plucker format with Sunrise XP?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12750-how-long-do-you-have-to-stay-in-china-to-make-it-stick

Studying, Living and Working in China

Anyone interested in learning Chinese up in Harbin? You probably want to read this . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15-cctv-learn-chinese019

Don't like your classes, but paid for a full year of studying at a Chinese university? Here's some help on trying to get a refund for that unused semester.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1335

Use your time and effort learning the culture in China as a chance to be a tourist guide for first-time visitors. This thread will talk about the dos, don'ts and great places to take your charges on their visit.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12666-how-to-be-a-tourist-guide-in-beijing

Thanks again, for reading this week's newsletter and for continuing to frequent our forums. If you have any suggestions for our regular updates or just want to send your compliments feel free to send an email to admin@chinese-forums.com

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Posted

December 31, 2007

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We're coming up on the New Year's Eve celebrations that will be going off around the world. We at Chinese-forums.com hope you have a happy holidays and celebrations. No doubt many of you will be making New Year's Resolutions related to your Chinese learning efforts - drop in at the link below to share yours and read ours:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1539

As always, to check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you've been online.

Reading and Writing

This week one poster asks, 'What's the best way to learn and improve your understanding of written Chinese?' Drop in and let us know if you prefer to read books, magazines or even graphic novels!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1493

Knowing a little bit about the Chinese stock market can go a long way in conversation. If you are feeling a little confused when trying to read the finances section of the local paper in Hanzi, drop in at this thread to talk shop.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/159-wuxia-aka-martial-art-or-kungfu-novels-by-louis-cha93

Grammar and Vocabulary

Ever heard someone say, 'Oh burn!' in reference to a particularly snappy come back? Well, this thread doesn't talk about those snappy comebacks. However, you can learn some pretty nifty ways to say burn, burned and burning in different contexts. You may never know when you've got to warn your neighbors that the building is burning down! So drop in at this thread to find out how to say it.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15730-different-ways-to-say-to-burn

As is befitting the Christmas spirit here is a post that has a lot of it and some of the common misunderstandings that can take place between two cultures. One teacher posts this thread to find the true meaning of the 'naughty' word one of his student's wrote on a Christmas decoration.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1509

Instruction manuals are always hard to read, especially in another language. One person asks fellow posters to help him decipher the language in his Hanzi written instruction manual in this thread.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1503

Chinese Computing and Technology

QQ is a great way to network and keep in touch. However, it can be a little tough to sign up on if you are still just learning the Chinese language. Check out this thread to see how one poster got around the registration problem.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1012

Living in China

Traveling to China can involve a lot of planning, packing and mix-ups. One poster asks if its okay to take burned DVDs into China, rather than out of China as most people usually find is the case.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1519

One routinely hears about scams in China, especially people taking money from unsuspecting tourists. Obviously, that kind of thing would never happen at a bank . . . would it? Follow this thread to find out more about the Great China Construction Bank 'Scam'.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15718-warning-the-great-china-construction-bank-scam

Book of the Month

With January upon us, so is January's Book of the Month. For the first month of 2008 our intrepid readers are opting for science fiction adventure Ball Lightening - featuring exotic physics, advanced weaponry and much, much more. So if you fancy tackling a Chinese novel alongside others who can help you out with language difficulties and keep you up to speed on the plot, visit the link below for more info and links to online texts:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1462

Thanks again, for reading this week's newsletter and for continuing to frequent our forums. If you have any suggestions for our regular updates or just want to send your compliments feel free to send an email to admin@chinese-forums.com

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Posted

January 15, 2008.

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Welcome to another week. We’ve had a lot of great new topics in the forums over the past few days for you to check out. You’ll find some of the more useful threads for beginning Chinese learners below. Have fun and keep up to date!

As always, check out the topics you’ve previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you’ve been online.

Reading and Writing

Just like when you were a little kid, it takes lots of practice or repetition to learn the letters of a new language. This thread asks posters how long it takes them to learn each new Chinese character.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/11208-poll-amount-of-time-to-learn-a-chinese-character

A fellow poster needs some help with translation. Is the business he’s planning on working with on the up and up? You translate their business license and see for yourself!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1714

Get a weekly dose of grammatical education by dropping in at this thread. One poster seeks to learn the function of a certain Chinese character at the end of a sentence.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1430

Speaking and Listening

Should you make the effort to speak the local language in a foreign country all the time? Even, if you are speaking with another English speaker? The poster at this thread asks the provocative question, ‘Why do Caucasians Love English?”

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/180-imports-into-english24

Follow the link for this thread to find out how many sounds there are in Pinyin, with or without the tones.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15884-how-many-sounds-in-pinyin-for-example-a-ai-an-ang-ao-5

The poster at this thread claims he can’t pronounce English letters so that the Chinese listener understands them. His accent makes the English letters sound strange to the Chinese, even when they do know a little bit of English. http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/5837-a-linguistic-hybrid-naming-roman-letters-in-chinese

Grammar and Vocabulary

Need a quick lesson on adding suffixes to Chinese words? Drop in at this topic thread for a little bit about suffixes, a lot of characters and some great words.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/8714-changing-a-word-into-something-else

For the foreigner who has never dealt with the Chinese language before, Modal Particles can be difficult to grasp. One poster asks for help in figuring out the meaning of these characters added to the end of sentences in Chinese.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15817-modal-particles

Resources and General Study Issues

It seems everyone is getting excited about the Beijing Olympics. One poster at this thread has been hired to teach beginning Chinese to tourists heading to China for the Olympics. She wonders if there are any good resources that can be geared specifically towards learning Chinese for the Olympics.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15889-beginning-chinese-for-the-beijing-olympics

Interested in a fun archive site where posters can submit text messages in Chinese of cool, enigmatic or interesting phrases or slang. Drop in at this thread to let us know ‘Yea’ or ‘Nay’ for this project and what we could to make it better.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician0835

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January 21, 2008

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Welcome to another week. We’ve had a lot of great new topics in the forums over the past few days for you to check out, and as usual we're highlighting some of the ones we think you might find most useful below.

As always, check out the topics you’ve previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you’ve been online.

Reading and Writing

Want to know how to state the obvious? The poster at this thread starts a conversation all about how to say, ‘Not bad, HUH?”

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15967-%e5%98%9b-and-%e5%90%97-usage-difference

Speaking and Listening

Posters with a painting or drawing habit will appreciate this thread. Learn a few short phrases to ask for watercolor paint, canvas and more.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1596

It’s amazing how much a person’s accent changes when they live in other countries. One poster notices this strange phenomenon in a speech by Soong Mei Ling and wonders where her accent comes from.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1753

Chinese Computing and Technology

Making Pinyin flashcards in word is a great way to study the language with homemade tools. See this page to automatically add pinyin to characters in Microsoft Word.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1877

Universities and Schools

One poster asks where he can find a good, experienced one-to-one Mandarin teacher for his short trip to Beijing. It’s tough to find a good teacher, but one poster running a language school in China talks about cost and quality in response.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15843-where-can-i-find-very-good-experienced-one-to-one-mandarin-teachers

Another eager to learn student posts a similar thread about finding a short term class on learning Chinese while in the country. He wants to learn a great high class accent in a short period of time. Is this possible?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2171-instant-chinese-character-to-pinyin-conversion-in-ms-word4

Living in China

The maglev trains in China are a much faster way to get around the country than old fashioned trains. However, they can be surprisingly loud and thus annoying to those who live near the train tracks. Plus, some people are worried about the electromagnetic radiation.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/15866-will-the-maglev-train-affect-my-health

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February 14, 2008

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First, an apology for a tragic lack of newsletters over the last few weeks - technical issues with email, and Chinese New Year festivities are to blame. Hope those of you who celebrate Chinese New Year had a good one.

As always, check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you've been online.

Reading and Writing

The poster on this thread has decided to learn a few thousand Chinese characters first and then work on their pronunciation. He's looking for some helpful educational resources too. Drop by to let us know if you think there's a better way to start off and to give some links to great character lists.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/217-pearl-princess-iii-songs-recommended79

Liuzhou is looking for characters that look like what they mean to help a friend back in the UK with putting together a class assignment for students. The more fun characters you can come up with, the better!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2200-global-village-language-institute-diqiucun-%e5%9c%b0%e7%90%83%e6%9d%915

Knowing the stroke order to create Chinese characters is essential for beautiful writing. Check out this thread for a bit of help in proper stroke order and some pictures.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16098-stroke-order-%e5%9e%82-and-%e7%9d%a1

Speaking and Listening

Thinking about joining a Chinese learning group, but can't find one in your area? Head to this thread to learn about some online sites where all kinds of groups are getting together to learn languages and talk about different topics.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2090

This poster has a question concerning the use of 'shang' as a verb complement. Does it or does it not have a neutral tone? Drop in at this thread and let the poster know your opinion on the subject.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/217-pearl-princess-iii-songs-recommended81

On a similar topic this poster wants to know the difference between, 'sheng1' vs. 'chu1 sheng1'. Her dictionary gives the same definition for both, but she's sure that can't be right!

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16181-sheng1-vs-chu1-sheng1

Resources and General Study Issues

Our New Year Resolutions discussion has become a general aims, objectives and discussions topic - come along and tell us what you are aiming to do, and how you are getting towards those goals.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1539

You can drop in here to see what resources other posters use for self-taught Chinese learning. Find out some new ones, the most popular ones and post some you like using too.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16161-self-studiers-what-resources-do-you-use

Learning your Hanzi in Children's episodes is an easy way to start learning the language. Drop in at this thread for a link to some children's shows created to help teach kids the language.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16155-anyone-know-where-in-beijing-i-might-be-able-to-buy-these-hanzi-learning-episodes

Chinese Computing and Technology

This poster is having a little trouble having getting their computer to display the QQ service in Chinese, but still keep the rest of the computer programs displaying in English. Drop in with some advice and a little help.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/217-pearl-princess-iii-songs-recommended69

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Subscribers!

We hope you guys are looking forward to warmer weather as much as we are! This week's newsletter is filled with lots of unique questions. Maybe you'll get a chance to drop in and help answer them!

As always, check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php so you can see what others have said since you've been online.

Reading and Writing

Give this poster a little help in writing a letter to her pen pal in Xi'an. She's very new to the idea of learning and writing in Chinese, so is doing her best to find a way to communicate with her new language learning friend. Should she write in Hanyu Pinyin, Simplified Chinese Characters or just simple straightforward English?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2338

One poster needs a little help with some practice work after translation some English sentences into Chinese. Drop in and take a look at the translations and see what you think.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2336

Follow the link to this thread for a chance to see a video of the 'The Father of Pinyin' - and to see all the errors the newspaper made . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16367-guardian-interview-with-the-father-of-pinyin

Speaking and Listening

Drop in at this thread and help a poster find the best quick study method for their trip in a short 10 months time. In particular, those who've finished the online FSI Chinese series can drop in and give their opinion on the course for this poster's benefit.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16338-fsi-whos-finished-it

Resources and General Study Issues

We've mentioned a thread in the last newsletter where a poster suggested that Dict.cn has a lot of errors in sample sentences. In this thread a poster asks 'Does Dict.cn really have errors?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16395-dictcn-has-errors

Help this poster come up with some ideas and ways to compile a large vocabulary list of traditional Chinese characters. Some posters are suggesting the use of excel and importing small sections of characters at a time. Perhaps you've found a great online alternative online resource?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2219

Universities and Schools

A lot of people go to China to perfect their Chinese speaking skills, but here we're looking for a recommendation on a college that offers courses taught solely in English.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2382

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March 10

Welcome to yet another Chinese-forums newsletter - if you've not been able to visit us lately have a look below to see what you've been missing. And if you have visited - well, look anyway, you might have overlooked something wonderful.

As always, to check out the topics you've previously posted to, head over to: http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php

If two characters share the same pinyin, will the pronunciation be the same? Maybe not in every case - have a read of the this topic and let us know what you reckon

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2573

Do you think there is an ideal pitch range for the tonal language of Mandarin? Are the exaggerated tones used or taught in classes really the normal tone used when speaking with the average person. Or is it possible that Mandarin classes teach students to speak 'too perfectly'?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2557

This poster has found that certain phrases mean 'to nap' in Malaysia, while to her they've always meant something else. Drop in to give your opinion and let her know if you've ever encountered similar phrase differences.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/217-pearl-princess-iii-songs-recommended71

Biological differences in learning across genders? Consequences for the studying of learning Chinese? Why, then you'd be needing this link:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2647

It's March and the third month of the New Year! Drop in at the 2008 Aims and Objectives Progress thread to let us know how you've been doing in this first quarter of the year.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1539

Book of the Month for March is the comedy of manners (or maybe a satire, we haven't decided) Wei Cheng, which follows the adventures of a young man returning to China from studies in Europe in the 1930s. Links to an online version and discussion at:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16538-botm-march-2008-%e3%80%8a%e5%9b%b4%e5%9f%8e%e3%80%8bby-%e9%92%b1%e9%92%9f%e4%b9%a6

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Subscribers,

Yet another week's worth of Chinese-related delights await you below. As always you can check out ongoing topics which you have already subscribed to here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php

Quick administrative note: The newsletter may or may not be moving to a fortnightly rather than weekly schedule in the near future. We'd be interested to hear what you think the ideal schedule would be, and any other ideas on what content you'd like to see. As always you can get in touch with admin@chinese-forums.com , and there's also a discussion about the newsletter itself here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/12164-forums-newsletter-ideas

Ongoing projects we'd like to highlight:

The Book of the Month for March is drawing to a close, with our valiant readers having got through varying amounts of selected book, Wei Cheng. Selection of a book for April is underway, with current opinion seeming to favor a little bit of wuxia

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16756-suggestions-for-botm-april

Also, if you're not one for turning pages, we're looking at some kind of joint TV-watching project. What for it will actually take is under discussion, so make your own opinions heard here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16784-the-grand-first-episode-project

To business:

Some have suggested that a musical ear can help you master the tones of Chinese. So what about writing pinyin onto a musical-type stave? Take a look at some images and add your own thoughts.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16778-pinyin-written-on-parallel-lines-music-score

Also on the topic of tones - if you think they're hard to learn, spare a thought for those who have to teach them. Some ideas for teachers here will no doubt be valuable for students too.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16650-how-to-teach-the-tones-of-mandarin

We have one poster who's looking for podcasts suitable for an intermediate student who suffers from weaker listening skills. See the suggestions along with some general Chinese podcast hints and tips.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2952

Ever come across words in Chinese which just don't seem to mean what they should. You might gain enlightenment from this discussion on contradictory vocab.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16779-apparently-contradictory-vocab-in-chinese

Getting bored of laerning Mandarin and fancy making the switch to Cantonese. One poster wants to know what's involved.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/217-pearl-princess-iii-songs-recommended80

Recent political events have resulted changes in China's Internet blocks and filtering - if you're having trouble getting to the sites you want or are curious as to how people are coping, these three links will get you up to date. But by way of a quick summary, the BBC has been unblocked, Youtube has gone and come back again, and we have no idea what's going on with RSS. Oh, and be careful which language your email address is in.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2950

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2906

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/14839-youtube-blocked

Visas are becoming somewhat harder to obtain due to a general tightening up in advance of the Olympics. Even long-term students are having trouble finding visas to cover themselves over the summer holidays.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician2541

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Dear Masses,

Yet another week's worth of Chinese-related delights await you below. As always you can check out ongoing topics which you have already subscribed to here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php

First, a plug for ongoing projects you surely wish to get involved in. With some readers still working through March's Book of the Month, Wei Cheng, we've opted to lighten the load for April and look at a few short stories. The first one, about what's it was like for superheroes growing up in post-1949 China, can be found at the link below, along with discussion.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16756-suggestions-for-botm-april

The Grand First Episode Project is now underway, with two shows covered so far: Soldiers' Sortie stars Wang Baoqiang as a village kid trying to make good in the army, and so impressed some viewers they've gone and watched the entire thing.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16916-first-episodes-1-%e5%a3%ab%e5%85%b5%e7%aa%81%e5%87%bb-soldiers-sortie

While Empty Mirror follows two Beijing sisters as they court, marry, divorce, marry again, etc.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16969-first-episodes-2-%e7%a9%ba%e9%95%9c%e5%ad%90-empty-mirror

There are links provided so you can watch the shows online. Also, if you want to check out the upcoming schedule and make any comments / requests, see this:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16784-the-grand-first-episode-project

And so onto the latests discussions and topics . . .

Chinese characters with different pronunciations are nothing new - but are there any with multi-syllable pronunciations? Take a look, you might be surprised:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3174

Some recommendations for better-than-average Mainland newspapers.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3193

Raise your head! Lower your head! Well done, now learn how to tell people to do that in Chinese

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/6720-simple-commands-in-chinese

Are there any Chinese words which mean EXACTLY the same as their Chinese equivalent? Well, tell us what they are:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3098

Heifeng has been kind enough to let us follow her experiences taking the Putonghua Ceshi, an exam usually taken by Chinese people in preparation for entry to professions such as radio broadcasting and elementary school teaching. Find out how she did here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/187-chinese-architecture58&page=6

And following on from recent changes in Internet blocking in China, we now have access to Wikipedia. Listen to the sounds of joy here:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/1912-pronunciation-of-shanghainese4&page=6

That's all for now - hope to see you you on the site, or hear from you via email.

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Esteemed readers:

A whole fortnight's worth of Chinese-related fun awaits you below. As always you can check out ongoing topics which you have already subscribed to here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php

The Grand First Episode Project, in which forum members watch the first episode of a Chinese-language TV show twice a week, continues to gather pace. It's a great way to get an overview of what's on China's TV screens and expose yourself to a range of different genres and styles, and no doubt find something you'll want to watch right to the end. Recent shows include Tang Dynasty detective stories featuring Di Renjie, and 90s Beijing sitcom Wo Ai Wo Jia.

Obviously for many learners following a TV show is challenging, but we're doing out best to help out by providing transcripts and subtitles where possible, and your questions are always welcome. Give it a shot.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

In other ongoing discussions lately, we have:

How do you want your Chinese? You want it fast? Easy. You want it good? No problem. You want it fast and good? Ah well, you're going to need to read this, on how to get both speed and accuracy. http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3413

Bored of practicing your tones - simply get involved in a discussion about them, and pretend it counts as studying.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3435

Ever been confused by a sentence that looks suspiciously like a whole load of verbs stuck together. You're not the only one.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17124-sentences-using-a-series-of-verbs

We've had discussions before on the character with the most number of strokes - but what about the two-character *word* with the most number of strokes?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3496

Internet chat fans may be interested in two pieces of news: One, the use of Web-based MSN to allow the use of browser pop-up dictionaries:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3393

And secondly, an English-language sign-up process for China's leading IM tool, QQ

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/16918-qq-now-has-english-sign-up

As always the Universities and Schools forums has a number of discussions running on various study options. Currently active topics cover Yunnan, Tianjin, Dalian, Urumuqi and Hangzhou

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20

Tightening visa policy and a lack of clarity over what will happen in the post-Olympic era is leading some long-term stayers to wonder about where their next visa is coming from. Pop in here if you have any ideas.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17105-visa-changes-what-you-going-to-do

That's all for now - hope to see you on the site, or hear from you via email.

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Exhalted subscribers,

A whole fortnight's worth of Chinese-related fun awaits you below. As always you can check out ongoing topics which you have already subscribed to here

http://www.chinese-forums.com/subscription.php

The thorny topic of romanization, Taiwanese names, and much much more:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3720

One industrious member has been transcribing some textbook audio files found online. Take a look if you might like some material to read / listen to, or perhaps you can see if you can help us spot any errors.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3465

The shiny new month of May has just started - which means it's time to drop into our 2008 Aims and Objectives discussion and let us know how you're getting on. Which now I think about it, I'm overdue to do myself.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician1539

Any ideas on text to speech programs (ie: software that will read out text) that both handle Chinese and run on Macs? Let us know . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17243-text-to-speech-software-for-mac-os-x

Ongoing visa uncertainty continues to be a popular topic - if you're hoping to pick up a new visa in the near future, or have already done so and have some info to share, browse this:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Any foreigners out there considered taking Chinese citizenship? Well, if you did, what nationality would you become?

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17291-becoming-a-chinese-citizen-nationality-issues

And once you'd got your Chinese passport, settled into your new house in China, and discovered it was haunted . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3655

Or perhaps you just prefer to read ghost stories . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3535

First episode project continues in full swing:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

That's all for now - hope to see you on the site, or hear from you via email.

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Hello, loyal subscribers,

First an apology for the week late newsletter - the delay was caused by me having other things to do, sorry.

First off, Chinese-forums.com is now a proud five years old. See here to read the messages of congratulations, and of course add in your own.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17506-chinese-forumscom-five-years-old-today

The major story over the last couple of weeks has naturally been the earthquake in Sichuan, which was felt by many members across China and had a direct impact on some.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3873

For discussions of possible routes for donations, see

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17431-earthquake-donation-websites

Sports fans may be interested in downloads and transcripts of material from CCTV9's Sports Chinese program.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3761

A self-studier comes up against some grammar issues while following a multi-media course - the forums masses leap to the rescue:

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician3893

Want some free textbooks? Well, you're probably too late, but have a look anyway and keep an eye on this thread - you may get another chance (just make sure you keep visiting the forums so you stay informed . . .)

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/17492-free-chinese-textbooks-no-catch

If you are renting accomodation in China, your landlord can make your life much easier, or a living hell. See this thread for some so far very positive experiences - and do add your own . . .

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/2-favourite-chinese-musician4075

A two year old discussion on going rates for translation work in China has been resurrected - take a look and join in if you're in the trade.

http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/8266-what-is-the-going-rate-for-c-e-translators-in-beijing

That's all for now - hope to see you on the site, or hear from you via email.

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