my chinese teacher wrong or dict.cn wrong?

[yonglin]

Sorry for sounding harsh on you. I really did not mean to.

However, you can also find some people who live in a language environment still can not speak/use it well.

This statement is of course true, and I never argued that no one could ever benefit from studying grammar (I think I've benefited immensely from it myself, for instance).

Another thing that one might want to take into account is that some people actually have fairly weak skills in their own language (for instance, they might have a very limited vocabulary, fail to write convincingly, understand more complex written texts, etc.). I've seen this tendency even among some of my classmates at university. If you never learnt to handle your main language properly, then there is little chance that you'll ever be able to do so with a foreign language. For instance, the chance that a native English-speaker would ever become a good writer in Chinese if s/he cannot even write English well is quite slim.

[Scoobyqueen]

jade - great to hear your opinion on this issue. i failed to find it "sweeping" btw seeing as it was underpinned by your own, may i add astute, observations.

[jade-]

If you never learnt to handle your main language properly, then there is little chance that you'll ever be able to do so with a foreign language. For instance, the chance that a native English-speaker would ever become a good writer in Chinese if s/he cannot even write English well is quite slim.

I agree with you 100% on this.

Scoobyqueen, thank you for your support and kind words. I don't want yonglin to think I spoke as an authority on this issue, it is just my personal opinion only.

[SWWLiu]

I agree with the original teacher's version, with the 被 included to indicate passive voice. Other word orders seem to be less effective.

[autumn_waters]

dict.cn is down!!!!! I haven't been able to access it at all in the last few days. What happened?

[zeloterr]

I am a native Chinese speaker. Different native speaker might have different views on this. I think that if it is in a context of daily conversation, it is totally ok, but it is in written form, the chinese word"被" should be added to make it sound more correct.