help me yidian(r)

[Alveranter]

the word yidian® is strange.. how is it pronounced..? according to the books I possess, dian is always pronounced as dien (approximately) but on the recordings it's pronounced more like the spelling [yidia(n)r] (since it's nasal the n isn't that laudable)

Is this somehow related to the adding of the optional(?) ®? Like you pronounce it dien should you omit the "r" and dian if you retain it?? that doesn't make sense does it?

[Quest]

儿化音, adding 'r' after just about every word is a feature of northern Mandarin. Whether you want to pick up this spoken feature is up to you. The standard is "yi dian".

[shibo77]

When the "Er-ised" word ends in "-n", the final "-n" is deleted, and "-r" is assimilated in its place>>

yi4 dian3 + er(-r) = yi4 diar3

"yi diar" not "yi dianr" No "n" sound at all, but "diar"

In the Mainland, people say "yi diar"

In Taiwan, people say "yi dian er"

I hope this helped!

-Shibo

[benotnobody]

btw: in common speech, the 一 in 一点 is often dropped.

[BeijingSlacker]

To my ear, without any context (which is not realistic)

Yi Dian = one o'clock

Yi Dian er = a bit/little

[BeijingSlacker]

儿化音, adding 'r' after just about every word is a feature of northern Mandarin.

This is one of the most common misunderstandings.

Adding 'r' sometimes changes the meaning of the original words and much more often changes the tone of voice. I dont have time now to discuss this, but I am giving you a couple of quick examples where "er" completely changes a word's meaning in colloquial language.( For those Chinese learners, sorry if I further confused you. You can definitely igonre this post)

前门 前门儿

后门 后门儿

北京 北京儿

没劲 没劲儿

天 天儿

眼 眼儿

活 活儿 （noun）