michfr Posted May 23, 2004 at 04:43 AM Report Posted May 23, 2004 at 04:43 AM When I visit China, people often approach me and try to exchange money sell me some souvenir or other product. They are sometimes very persistent. Can you provide me with some phrases I can use, in increasing order of forcefulness, to tell someone to go away and leave me alone? The list of phrases might start with "Bu yao, xie, xie". The second phrase on the list might be "zou kai." Also, what is something appropriate to say to persistent beggars when I don't wish to give them money? Quote
shibo77 Posted May 23, 2004 at 04:51 AM Report Posted May 23, 2004 at 04:51 AM Well... poor beggars... but if you want to be harsh, 滚!Gun3! or 滚蛋Gun3 dan4! should suit. I like to say... 一边稍息去! Yi4 biar1 shao4 xi2 qu4! Use them wisely... as long as you don't believe in karma... -Shibo Quote
Yuchi Posted May 27, 2004 at 01:13 AM Report Posted May 27, 2004 at 01:13 AM "Gun Kai" is harsh, I suppose. One dictionary had it as the synonym as "f*** off. But I don't think chinese has an equivalent to that.. Quote
pazu Posted May 27, 2004 at 02:56 AM Report Posted May 27, 2004 at 02:56 AM 滾 is too harsh, too harsh for beggers... Just tell them to go away (走開) and it's okay, if they're persistent then ask somebody to help you. (e.g. if you're in a restaurant, ask the owner to get them away.) Quote
ala Posted May 27, 2004 at 03:33 AM Report Posted May 27, 2004 at 03:33 AM just say 对不起 (duibuqi) and shake your head and hands. More forceful: 让开 (rangkai) if they are in your way. And 走开 (zoukai) if you want them to scram. if you are in a room... and want harsh: 死出去。 Quote
pazu Posted May 27, 2004 at 04:20 AM Report Posted May 27, 2004 at 04:20 AM 死出去。 or just cxx ta ma. ....... then. Quote
galitonwu Posted May 27, 2004 at 11:46 AM Report Posted May 27, 2004 at 11:46 AM 我没带钱。 how to say in English? I forget to bring the money. Quote
confucius Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:33 AM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:33 AM How's this one? I tried it out on Guangzhou's Beijing Street where annoying Chinese touts with 6 watches on their arm always approach foreigners: 休想跟我说话! I think it means something like "Don't even think about talking with me" and appeared to be effective the two times I used it. Quote
sunyata Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:55 AM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:55 AM just say: 去你妈了个逼! or 走开, 傻逼! j/k Quote
confucius Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:15 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:15 PM Oh! Sunyata again! Are you really the barbarian depicted in your avatar? For your information, I usually have educated fine female companions in tote when I'm strolling the streets therefore your vulgarity is totally useless for me. I'm trying to be a little more refined when I brush off the local riff-raff. You certainly wouldn't use such profanity in front of your girlfriend, now, would you? Quote
Quest Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:27 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:27 PM You certainly wouldn't use such profanity in front of your girlfriend, now, would you? now can you really push that cute little beggar away when your girlfriends around? Quote
confucius Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:37 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:37 PM I'm not referrring to the cute five year old beggar who grabs your leg at the train station trying to sell a flower, I specifically mentioned the ugly thirty five year old bugger who approaches foreigners on pedestrian shopping streets trying to sell a watch. Quote
sunyata Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:40 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:40 PM seriously, that's so untactful, offer him a cigarette at least. Don't lose face in front of your girlfriend! No, of course i would never use those in front of anybody in China, unless there was serious need to... Quote
confucius Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:46 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 12:46 PM You are a total complete barbarian, aren't you sunyata? Offer the bloody bastard a cigarette? You not only wish to promote more smoking in China (Absurd!), you also want to REWARD touts for imposing themselves on any foreigner that happens to walk by. Quote
Guest Yau Posted June 3, 2004 at 07:47 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 07:47 PM oh la la. Poor sunyate, you can never ensure your reader has a sense of humor as yours. Quote
sunyata Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:03 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 10:03 PM hai....whatever, he has a sense of humor, he is just playing it off... in any case, offering a cigarette is standard courtesy in China as you know. Plus, if you are a bum on the streets, you better be happy to get a free smoke...If not, he can always refuse it, right? I am just promoting courtesy, Mr. Confucius...how did you manage to forget your own Analects? it's gotta be the fruit loops every morning...Kellogg's has clouded your vision! Quote
confucius Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:05 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:05 PM How did you manage to forget the Opium War, sunny? I'd rather eat Kellogg's Fruit Loops (not the German imitation Hula Hoops) every morning in China instead of sunyata's breakfast: coffee and cigarette? Standard courtesy in China was pouring tea for the person sitting next to you long before the unsophisticated lot began handing out Marlboros. Quote
Green Pea Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:52 PM Report Posted June 3, 2004 at 11:52 PM This thread should not be a joking matter. Personal safety is the issue. Talking to or engaging with beggars or touts escalates the siuation to a potential physical conflict. I do not interact at all with beggars or touts. I know they are annoying and a few choice words sound like a viable tactic, but I think it is best to say nothing at all and just walk away fast. I have been attacked and chased by a beggar with a knife without any provocation on my part so I take this issue quite seriously. Quote
holyman Posted June 4, 2004 at 06:19 AM Report Posted June 4, 2004 at 06:19 AM walk pass them, dont even look at them, and they wont bother u. i dont give a penny to beggars but i gave those who at least came up with an erhu or some musical instruments to perform. at least they try their best to do something they can, and entertain others as well. Quote
sunyata Posted June 4, 2004 at 11:04 AM Report Posted June 4, 2004 at 11:04 AM wow, Greenpea haha, as for me, I've never had problems with touts and beggars in China...China is 10 times safer than back home, so I felt quite relaxed... Confucius just disappoints me more and more...First off, there are his unwarranted assumptions - i.e. that my breakfasts consist of coffee and a cigarette. Now, where did that conclusion come from? As for my remark about your Kellogg's fetish - you admitted to it yourself in another post. Furthermore, your non-Confucian and non-Chinese background is shining through, despite your desperate attempts to hide this fact. First it was the Fruit Loops, now it's Marlboros!!! Clearly, another capitalist in disguise trying to accuse me of forgetting the Opium War. Giving out Marloboros as a sign of courtesy is equivalent to giving out individual fruit loops. If you had even a touch of decency in your character, you would at least replace it with a 中南海. Quote
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