Chinese dilemma?

[outcast]

I don't particularly care for political correctness, I'm just extremely averse when people jump on every opportunity to go on about racial and cultural superiority. Especially people going on about the moral inferiority of Chinese people on a forum full of Chinese people helping others learn their language and culture by sharing their knowledge and offering help.

In reality there are many more chinese people who do jump at every opportunity to go on about their racial and cultural superiority. Certainly not all of them are like that, but maybe more than you wish to believe.

I do admit that I should not have generalized.

You're not stating well established facts, you're stating selected parts of well-established facts in order to defend statements like "blacks are criminals" and "Chinese are dumb".

I'm not defending anything, I'm pointing out possible causes that lead people to think that way. Dr. Watson seems to get that, why can't you?

In particular your claiming that I'm defending statements like "blacks are criminals" is disingenuous. I am stating well established facts, backed up with evidence. So lets try this again in smaller pieces: Fact: A possible reason why people might think "all black people are criminals" is because it is well publicized that in proportion to their total population, that so many of them are: Evidence:

One in three African-American men aged 20-29 is in jail, on probation or on parole as opposed to one in 15 of their white counterparts

or

Studies have shown that in cities such as Baltimore and Washington at least half of all young black men are either in prison, on parole or on probation.

Get it?

The "established facts" are very complex and involve stagnation during the Qing dinasty and Chinese political situation throughout the 20th century,

OMFG YOU'RE DEFENDING THE STATEMENT "CHINESE ARE STUPID"!!!!!!!!!!11111111oneoneone

Seriously, I just said pretty much that, and I drew what should be an obvious connection between that and peoples attitudes about China.

Two American in the US break laws and use a race defense in the American court, and this shows the moral bankruptcy of the Chinese people? How come nobody uses this defense in China?

Because the only time I've ever seen this kind of excuse making in my life is always when people who are not chinese rightly question what is clearly an immoral act committed by one or more chinese.

[huisheng]

Outcast, you're generalising, in an absolutely meaningless way. TianYa is the kind of forum filled with fenqins and trolls, who are not necessarily patriots or racists but definitely doing what they are out there for the fact they don't have a life.

But did you actually read the replies to that SB OP from the link you posted?

[floatingmoon]

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...When I asked her about freely sharing what your parents had invested into your education such as English lessons and even piano lessones, she was vague in her response....

How is "....sharing what your parents had invested into your education such as English lessons and even piano lessons...." has do with the title of this topic ??

Don't mistaken me, I am not into agree or disagree or doubt anything. Just curious and question.

[Woodpecker]

Someone had to come up with the technology for you to watch DVDs or even VHS. If there wasn't money to made off of that why would any company bother producing it? For the betterment of mankind???

When Volvo invented the 3-point seatbelt, did they patent it? NO, for that very reason. They released it into the public domain so that any car manufacturer could use it for the safety of their buyers. In any case, the real point behind IP as far as I can see is to ensure that the credit for a discovery goes to the right person. Credit can be stolen even if knowledge cannot. Money is a secondary issue.

[imron]

Money is a secondary issue.

There are a few cases like the one you mentioned above where money is a secondary issue. The vast majority however are all about trying to maximise profits. Just look at Amazon with its ridiculous one-click patent. The credit they get for that, is for being the first one brazen enough to try and patent it.

[TCcookie]

Lately, for whatever reason, I've found myself pondering the apparently staggering disrespect for intellectual property that occurs in China. Personally, I feel that the protection of intellectual property is very important, and so when I see it disrespected it makes me a little uneasy, but it occurred to me that in China (and many other countries of course--I just single out China maybe because it's an area of interest to me) a large part of the problem is simply that a concept of intellectual property as worthy of protection perhaps hasn't had the historical opportunity to develop as it has in other places: different legal heritages lead to different outlooks and values on what is important and what isn't.

Anyway, I'd be interested if anyone could point me to a good book or other information resource about the history of intellectual property in China. I know I could Google this, and I will, but I respect everyone's opinions much more on this board than those of the anonymous internet, and some of you may even have a background in this sort of thing. Thanks.

[imron]

[Quest]

Nothing unique about the Chinese. Without the appropriate laws and enforcement it'd be the same any place in the world. You can't count on the citizens to be ethical about intellectual property, most will violate it if there's no consequence; mp3 comes to mind as an example. Even when laws are enforced well, we still have corporate spying and countless IP law suits... We see more IP violations in China not because it's ingrained in Chinese tradition (it's in everyone's genes), but because the Chinese government is not enforcing the law; this has to do with the legal structure and lack of will as an importer nation of knowledge. It's a well known fact, IP holding companies know about it, they too only pay lipservice to it because they are trading profit for market share now.

[roddy]

Actually I'd say that more is being done to enforce the law, but not by the Chinese government - it's the Chinese companies that are bringing the cases. A firm the size of Zoke has the clout and motivation to do this. This is also part of the motivation for joint ventures like this - not only do you get access to the market, you also get a partner with an interest in reining in piracy of your product. Baidu's 'you can't beat us, join us' stance has borne fruit.

[lowerpower]

OK, I'm really interested in all this because I beat my head against the wall all the time

while working with companies in China.

I've worked over the last few years helping companies in the US get companies in China to produce software on there devices so they can be sold in the US. It can be the must

frustrating job in the world, and completely avoidable.

A typical sequence of events goes something like this. I look at there system and try

to offer suggestions and work on some of the UI elements. I do recommendations, they

tell me it can't be done, or its stupid. I ask for documentation on there system so I can

make the changes; they say they can't release it and it proprietary. US company

complains to China company, China engineers give a little information. Cycle repeats

for a few weeks. I show examples of how it works, the China company engineers tell

there bosses its stupid, but of course they want the source code. The US company

likes a lot, puts more pressure on China company to do more of recommendations,

Get more info like pulling teeth. Finally get some real technical info and source

from China company, Its all ripped off GPL software with a little bit of customization;

No surprise to me, I've seen this time and time again. Finally getting somewhere I fix the system to US companies liking.

China company is fine but its engineers still don't like it, make life difficult. US company

starts being successful with product, China Company has engineers duplicate UI and

custom technology I developed for other customers, but luckly they don't really understand

and break the usefulness of the ideas with there own thinking on how product should work.

Finally clones of products from no-named companies based on the successful ideas

painstakingly developed come pouring on the market.

I move to the next project and repeat the same experience time and time again.

So my question is WHY? Why do these companies cling so tight to there "proprietary"

software that is mostly GPL software they should have to release anyway? Why

do they hate to work with US engineers? Why do they want my source code,

that is truly proprietary (with NO GPL entagalments) and why do they want to turn

around and sell it to there other customers as there own? Then why when a product is successful do the have to re-invent the concept because they didn't invent it and would have to pay a $0.25 royalty if they used it as is? And the biggest WHY that kills me every time, is why do they resist making cross platform web UI code? Why do they insist on using ACTIVEX IE only UI's for everything?

-LP

[BrandeX]

Left that one blank for you, I'm sure you can probably fill in the answer on your own, although it may not be polite to post openly.