Working in the health structures

[maxky75]

hi people!

i'm max and i'm from italy.

i'm studying midwifery (a midwife is a person who helps women to give birth their children) and i'd like to work in another country.

i'd like to go in china but i don't know about the possibilities to work in a health structure, and in particular as midwife.

i will travel in china to study chinese and do a job (everything) to pay the expensese but i'd prefer to make my job on the next years.

do u have some infos for me? job opportunities, salary, ecc.

tnx for yr help!

[davidj]

My understanding is that student visas give no right to work (unlike, say the UK, where you can work part time, as an employee).

A lot of people from China are recruited for work below their qualifications (due to lack of English) in the UK health industry, particularly in care homes. It seems unlikely to me that there will be any health care work, at your level, available in China, to someone with neither Chinese nationality, nor good Chinese language skills.

[Diego]

Dipende dalle città nella quale vai. Io ho girato mezza Cina (se non di più) e le regole cambiano da città a città.

Puoi insegnare inglese (è vero con un visto studentesco non potresti): in alcune città non ti rompono le palle (vedi una Kunming) mentre in altre (vedi Chengdu) qualche mio amico era finito alla polizia.

La paga si aggira intorno agli 8 euro all'ora...

It depends in wich city u r...

[liuzhou]

I'm sorry to say that your chances are almost impossible. Why would China employ a (student) midwife who can't speak the language? China has hundreds of thousands of midwives.

Also, as has been pointed out, if you are here on a student visa to study Chinese, you are not allowed to work legally. Do you want to be an illegal midwife?

I think you need to think things through more carefully and realistically.

[HedgePig]

Hello Max

I don't have much information but I believe you won't be able to work as a midwife in China unless you take the local exams - in Chinese! As far as I am aware, foreign doctors are able to work in China but foreign nurses are not. You might have some luck with a clinic catering to expats - you still wouldn't be able to work directly as a midwife but it's possible they could use your skills somehow.

Regards

HedgePig

[maxky75]

hi guys

tnx for yr replies but i think u didn't understand my questions.

1) are there the possibilities to work in china as a studen of the language? i read i can learn chinese by university lessons or by other school lessons.

for the first, i think i will have student visa, for the other tourist visa.

but i'm talking of a simple work as delivery goods, as barman, as waiter, to pay the expenses of the travel and of the life in china.

2) if i will decide to work in china as midwife, i will do it only when i will have a good level of my chinese language skill and after i have received a chinese certificate for my studies (how do i obtain it?). i wanted to know if there are foreign midwives in china and men: how much is their salary?

3) china is the same for Honk Kong? or HK is more european and simple to find a job as midwife?

tnx at all. u are great.

ciao diego. é un grande piacere sapere che c'è almeno un altro italiano su questo forum. ti contatterò via pm.

hi diego, it is a great pleasure to know there is another italian user in this forum. i will contact u by pm.

[imron]

I think that as a man, and especially as a foreign man, you will find it extremely difficult to find work as a midwife in China.

[BrandeX]

Nor will you get a job as a delivery boy, bartender, or waiter. Foreign nationals are first of all, not allowed to take jobs in any "industry" that would take a job away from a local normally, and otherwise, if someone did hire you off the books, you'd be competing with locals that would do it for maybe 5rmb an hour or such.

[simonlaing]

Brandex, is a bit harsh,

I think you could find work being a promoter/ event organizer in Shanghai at certain bars . Shanghai as other random jobs for westerners who don't have Chinese language skills.

The issue I think which will be a sticking point is the learning Chinese. If you haven't tried to learn Chinese you may want to try a beginner book before committing yourself to this course.

Most people say it takes 3-5 years to learn enough Chinese to use it in a technical job like nursing.

There are Male nurses in China. (not many but they do exist I would like to say, my wife works with one. )

If you're not going to be based in Shanghai or BJ, I think looking into working at the SOS clinic is a good idea. If serious things happen they air lift them to western hospital or other place. Most of the time they do physical check-ups, drawing blood , ECGs which doesn't seem that hard if you have the training.

Good luck,

Simon:)

[davidj]

1) are there the possibilities to work in china as a studen of the language? i read i can learn chinese by university lessons or by other school lessons.

for the first, i think i will have student visa, for the other tourist visa.

but i'm talking of a simple work as delivery goods, as barman, as waiter, to pay the expenses of the travel and of the life in china.

You can't legally work in China without a work visa. This is not the UK, where half the overseas students work, legally, in MacDonalds, and similar.

You can't even study in China without a business visa. You may find some private schools will pretend otherwise; I did when I tried to get three weeks intensive tuition four years ago; luckily I was able to find an alternative, school, outside the private sector, which was able to get the proper documentation at short notice.

Business visas don't last long enough for a full course and they don't allow you to take up employment.

In the UK, anyone who can convince immigration that they will support themselves from funds brought into the country, or gifts from relatives, etc., will leave within six months, and won't cause a problem, can enroll for tuition that doesn't involve the sort of work experience that would compete with someone earning their living from the work, but that's not the case in China.

Even in the UK, you can't take paid work on a visitor visa.

If you need to work in China to support your study, you need to treat it as studying incidental to working, and build a case as to why it would benefit the Chinese state for you to work there.

[imron]

There are Male nurses in China. (not many but they do exist I would like to say, my wife works with one. )

Does she know of any male mid-wifes? I imagine there'll be even less of them than male nurses.

[Diego]

Man,

China is big! It's not easy to tell u how is China! Would not be easier to tell u how is Europe... Our country si different from Sweden or England, very diffirent...

U have just to chose a city and go there...