Hofmann Posted September 29, 2008 at 01:44 AM Report Posted September 29, 2008 at 01:44 AM How is 耳 used as a particle? Are there any equivalents? Thanks. Quote
HashiriKata Posted September 29, 2008 at 07:35 AM Report Posted September 29, 2008 at 07:35 AM I don't think 耳 is a particle. Do you mean 其? If you do, look at the other thread about 其 that is being discussed . Quote
Hofmann Posted September 29, 2008 at 05:09 PM Author Report Posted September 29, 2008 at 05:09 PM I mean 耳, in Classical Chinese. Here's an example. 水,無機化合物,天下之所繫命也。人所常言者,蓋其液態耳,然實有三態,曰氣、曰液、曰固(注︰此殆分也,實甚繁耳,固態下分為七;另亦有超臨界流體等)。大海之水,多有鹽耳,莫之能飲。 Quote
ABCinChina Posted September 29, 2008 at 05:16 PM Report Posted September 29, 2008 at 05:16 PM Classical Chinese makes my head spin. Here's how my dumb brain sees it... 蓋其液態耳 = Cover the liquid and it flows like the ear Quote
leeyah Posted September 29, 2008 at 06:20 PM Report Posted September 29, 2008 at 06:20 PM 蓋其液態耳 = Cover the liquid and it flows like the ear I really liked that Anyway, in Classical Chinese 耳 was used as an auxiliary word meaning only, just (同于:而已,罢了) For example: 相当然耳 is now written as: 相当然而 and is now considered 书面语 Quote
HashiriKata Posted October 1, 2008 at 09:16 AM Report Posted October 1, 2008 at 09:16 AM For example: 相当然耳 is now written as: 相当然而 Thank you leeyah, I was too quick to assume (想当然耳) that 耳 was a typo for 其. I will try not to do it again even if I think there's a typo in front of me! Quote
Hanlink Posted October 3, 2008 at 07:24 AM Report Posted October 3, 2008 at 07:24 AM 蓋其液態耳 'cover the liquid and it flows like the ear' is a wonderful translation but obviously a bit wide of the mark. 蓋 here means 'probably', 'generally', 'for the most part'. It is an occasional alternate character for 概. As has been written, 耳 is the classical particle for 'only' (there are others). The translation of that part of the sentence, should be something like: 'when people normally speak [of water], it is for the most part only in its liquid form, but in fact, it has three forms:...'. Quote
chrix Posted November 12, 2009 at 04:55 PM Report Posted November 12, 2009 at 04:55 PM Just to wrap this up: it is a contraction of 而已 (see this post for more contractions) Pulleyblank calls it a "final phrasal particle", often followed by 矣, underlining its verbal force. He has the following three examples: 言舉斯心加諸彼而已. It just means to take his mind and apply it to others and that's all. (Mencius)直好世俗之樂耳. I only like the popular music of the present age. (Mencius) 子誠齊人也. 知管仲晏子而已矣. You truly are a man of Qi. You only know Guan Zhong and Yanzi. (Mencius) p. 134. Quote
RLGoodman Posted November 13, 2009 at 02:07 PM Report Posted November 13, 2009 at 02:07 PM 耳 is definitely short for 而已 in this passage, but I think 蓋 is used to show a bit of surprise for a statement that the author disagrees with, like "how could it be!" 蓋 sets the tone of surprise and a coming correction, just like the above mentioned text. 蓋 and 耳 (or 而已) are often combined as sentence initial and final particles to show disagreement with something the author believes to be lacking. Quote
natra Posted November 13, 2009 at 02:50 PM Report Posted November 13, 2009 at 02:50 PM I agree with the above commenters. 耳 generally just means 而已 or 罢了. Quote
jiangping Posted November 13, 2009 at 03:01 PM Report Posted November 13, 2009 at 03:01 PM I mean 耳, in Classical Chinese. Here's an example.水,無機化合物,天下之所繫命也。人所常言者,蓋其液態耳,然實有三態,曰氣、曰液、曰固(注︰此殆分也,實甚繁耳,固態下分為七;另亦有超臨界流體等)。大海之水,多有鹽耳,莫之能飲。 I'm only a classical newbie but I'll have a go at translating this...just for fun:mrgreen: "Water, an inorganic compound, is what links all life under heaven. What people normally talk about is probably only its liquid state, but in reality there are three states: gaseous, liquid and solid. (....) The water in the ocean is (simply) for the most part salty, and no one can drink it." As for the 耳... I guess it's mostly explicable as 而已 (which literally means "...and stop") The usage in the first instance seems fairly straightforward: 人所常言者,蓋其液態耳 and the meaning of 而已 would fit here (耳 being used to keep the 5-5 structure, maybe?). Although it seems a bit odd without a 也 at the end of the 2nd clause...can anyone comment on that? The second 耳 seems a bit more tricky: 大海之水,多有鹽耳,莫之能飲。 Perhaps it just has a more emphatic meaning here, like 就是 in modern? Again, it seems to fill out the 4-4-4 pattern nicely. In classical texts I think 耳 is pretty much always a fusion of 而已, but then in later periods (late Han and after) the meaning became a bit blurred. The 蓋 gài i just took as meaning "probably". Quote
chrix Posted November 13, 2009 at 05:40 PM Report Posted November 13, 2009 at 05:40 PM You're certainly right in that Pulleyblank limits himself strictly to the Classical Period. The 辭海 has the following entry (besides 而已): 表语气,用词“矣”。 and gives two Classical examples: 1. 吾無望焉耳 (大戴禮記:曾子立事) "I haven't seen that there!" (my own translation) 2. 女得人焉耳呼 (論語: 雍也) "Have you met good men there?" (James Legge's translation) What do you think? Quote
Daan Posted November 15, 2009 at 04:44 AM Report Posted November 15, 2009 at 04:44 AM and the meaning of 而已 would fit here (耳 being used to keep the 5-5 structure, maybe?). Although it seems a bit odd without a 也 at the end of the 2nd clause...can anyone comment on that? My gut feeling was that 耳 (as a particle) and 也 never appear together, which seems to be correct, judging from a quick glance over the Chinese Text Project database. Perhaps this is because 也, when used in sentence-final position, can also express a degree of certainty that is however diferent from that expressed by 耳. See for example: 子曰:“賜也,女以予為多學而識之者與?”對曰:“然,非與?”曰:“非也,予一以貫之。” from the Analects. Using 耳 here instead of 也 would change the meaning of this sentence, and perhaps even render it unnatural, although I am of course in no position to comment on that. Quote
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