Pronunciation: "Chang2 de" or "zhang3 de" ?

[skylee]

Here is another link to the usage of 的 and 得

Hi, semantic nuance, thanks for the link.

Actually I was a bit surprised by your #7. Not sure what caused your confusion, though.

Regarding the link, I do not really agree with No. 4 of 「的」的用法. I think it should be 地 not 的, though to be honest I sometimes use 的 when I don't pay attention. (sh)

[Hofmann]

I agree with skylee. Adverbs should use 地.

But I don't know why 真的 uses 的.

[david808]

真的 is absolutely correct (at least in mainland China).

[HashiriKata]

But I don't know why 真的 uses 的.

That is what "democracy" is about: if a big enough number of people are wrong, then they must be right!

[gougou]

真的 is absolutely correct

Is it really? Or is it just used that way? I always had the same suspicion as HK is offering above.

[semantic nuance]

Actually I was a bit surprised by your #7. Not sure what caused your confusion' date=' though.

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I'm still not sure what got me there,skylee. Senile dementia, perhaps!!

Regarding the link' date=' I do not really agree with No. 4 of 「的」的用法. I think it should be 地 not 的

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Second that. 地 should be used.

[Luobot]

I think in these examples 长 should read zhang3, 'to grow, to grow up as'. Chang2 would mean 'long'. (And so in the example in the OP it should read chang2, because time is long, time doesn't grow.)

Just to clarify the difference between using 长 as zhang3 'to grow' and 长 as chang2 'long', how would you say that something "grows long" in the following two general cases?

1 - In a general poetic sense, you can say that time grows long or the days grow long.

2 - In a general physical sense, you can say that hair grows long or the grass grows long, etc.

[skylee]

1 - In a general poetic sense, you can say that time grows long or the days grow long.

I would say 時間變得越來越（漫）長 (chang2) and 日子/白天變得越來越（漫）長 (chang2).

2 - In a general physical sense, you can say that hair grows long or the grass grows long, etc.

I would say 頭髮長(zhang3)長(chang2) and 草長(zhang3)長(chang2)/高.

Edited December 3, 2008 at 01:33 PM by skylee

[Luobot]

This is very helpful.

With #1, I'm now prepared to write Chinese poetry (cough).

With #2, I can now read 長長 in a sentence and know it's zhang3 chang2 rather than chang2 chang2 (faints).

[renzhe]

Of course, it could be chang2 chang, if it's a duplicated adjective.

[ImBmen]

the topic reminds me of a famous couplet.

海水朝 朝朝朝 朝朝朝落

浮云长 长长长 长长长消

i hope i don't confuse you with this,couse none of the 长 means 长 here. ok you're interested in it,take a look at it at this website.[http://www.blogms.com/StBlogPageMain/Efp_BlogLogSee.aspx?cBlogLog=1001519165]

and just ignore what i'm saying if you're not.

[gougou]

couse none of the 长 means 长 here.

Rarely ever has the joy of learning Chinese been better described in a single sentence.

[ImBmen]

Rarely ever has the joy of learning Chinese been better described in a single sentence.

so let's enjoy it

[shirokuma_koori]

zhang3 is often used to describe appearances, sometimes combined with 得, such as

她长得很漂亮。

chang2 is often used to mean length of something, such as

她的头发很长。