amperel Posted July 11, 2004 at 02:18 PM Report Posted July 11, 2004 at 02:18 PM haven't watched hk films for a long time... any good ones out there lately? by good i don't mean those 无 哩 頭 movies by 周 星 馳 (my info is way back from late 80's-90's, do they still have 无 哩 頭 movies?) my friend told me that 吳 君 如 has become quite an excenllent actress (i remember way back seeing her in some, again, 无 哩 頭 movies ) anyone seen her 四 面 夏 娃 ? or the latest 金 雞？and what about 鄭裕玲? she used to be such a good actress．．． Quote
skylee Posted July 11, 2004 at 03:28 PM Report Posted July 11, 2004 at 03:28 PM Among latest ones, I recommend 大事件 -> http://www.chinese-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2024 You can also keep an eye on 2046 directed by Wong Kar-wai. 周星馳 has been very well-received by mainland audience. Have you seen his 月光寶盒, 仙履奇緣 (I really like these two) and 少林足球? Other great recent HK movies include 無間道 and 花樣年華. 孤男寡女 was also quite a hit a few years back. 陳果 (a director) has won some film awards and many people like his movies such as 香港製造 etc (sorry I can't recall the names of his other films). Quote
amperel Posted July 12, 2004 at 02:53 PM Author Report Posted July 12, 2004 at 02:53 PM thanks skylee i have heard of 陳果. haven't seen his film tho. btw did u know that his name is translated as "fruit chan" in imdb.com? the problem i have is that currently i'm living in no man's land where u don't get to see a lot of chinese films. but i do rent dvd's from a website called www.greencine.com. they have some decent selections but not too many. too bad the titles are often translated into english and i have to squint to make out the chinese titles on the small dvd cover. actually i rented 月光寶盒 from there. next one up is 仙履奇緣. others currently on my queue are 一刀傾城, Butterfly Sword (don't know the chinese title, with michelle yeoh in it), hero, Midnight Fly (i think it's called 慌心假期). they any good? Quote
Ian_Lee Posted July 12, 2004 at 11:00 PM Report Posted July 12, 2004 at 11:00 PM I have seen two movies directed by 陳果: (1) 香港有個荷里活 (2) 榴連飄飄. But both movies seem not to pay too much respect to girls from Mainland. In the first movie, renowned Mainland actress Zhou Xun was implied to perform a blow job. In the second movie, a girl from remote Northeast came to Hong Kong to work in the oldest profession. But the way Chan directed is really outstanding -- movie looks like real life story. Quote
galitonwu Posted July 13, 2004 at 01:41 AM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 01:41 AM I like Zhou Xing Chi forever. Quote
sunyata Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:46 AM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:46 AM watched "Days of Being Wild" yesterday...a strange film, but perhaps worth the watch... what genre do you like? Quote
BeijingSlacker Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:14 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:14 PM HK only produces summer popcorn movies (like Zhou Xingchi movies) that dont have much artistic value. Everything is commercialized. I am not trying to be rude, but Hongkong and singapore are usually referred as "Culture Desert" in Mainland and Taiwan, despite the fact that the average Hongkong people and Singaporeans are financially better off and receive better education. Quote
sunyata Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:56 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 08:56 PM Hmm, yes, I agree to a certain degree, but HK also has some good "aritistic" directors. Take, Wong Kar Wai, for example... Quote
Ian_Lee Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:07 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:07 PM C'mon. Don't have sour grape mentality. Do you guys mean after HK actress Maggie Cheung was awarded Best Actress in both Cannes and Berlin Film Festivals and actor Tony Leung Best Actor in Cannes, Photographer Pau as Best Photographer and Fashion Designer Yip as Best Costume Designer in Oscar, HK movie industry still only produces craps? Even Mainland artistic Director Zhang Yimou has to rely on full HK crew to produce his epic "Hero". Maybe Mme Mao's classic "White Hair Girl" is artistic per your standard! Quote
Quest Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:21 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:21 PM I agree with BeijingSlacker that most HK movies are weak, but then HK is still a city, and it is hard for a city to support mega budget movies, because their audience is limited. Also, artistic movies just don't suit the commercial culture there. Quote
Ian_Lee Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:37 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:37 PM Quest: Now you eat sour grape too. Pls tell me other than the token movies from Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige (whom both rely on HK film crew), which "artistic" movie produced in Mainland has ever won any international acclaim? Most "artistic" movies produced in Mainland that I watched are best catalysts if you have a hard time to sleep! Quote
Quest Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:52 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:52 PM Most "artistic" movies produced in Mainland that I watched are best catalysts if you have a hard time to sleep! that's exactly what I said --> "arts" are considered boring in HK. Mainland movies are worse, but getting better. The HK movie industry is waking up to competitions. Quote
sunyata Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:53 PM Report Posted July 13, 2004 at 09:53 PM Pls tell me other than the token movies from Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige (whom both rely on HK film crew), which "artistic" movie produced in Mainland has ever won any international acclaim? No need to ask this question. You are very well aware of the serious restrictions (censorship) imposed on movie directors and producers in the Mainland. It was only through their HK connections and money, that Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige could win acclaim abroad. For talented directors without money and connections, the opportunities for success are few and far between. They neither have the funding nor the freedom of HK directors. Finally, winning Cannes and Oscar awards is considered prestigious, but the only thing it proves is that the film appealed to the Western audience. Quote
BeijingSlacker Posted July 14, 2004 at 01:06 AM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 01:06 AM 活着， 鬼子来了， 爸爸 all won international film award (dont remember which won what, and too lazy to look it up on the Internet) Also, I couldn't agree more on that winning International awards only proves that the film appealed to the Western audience. Furthermore, sometimes awards don't say that much.If I am not mistaken, Titanic won several Oscar awards. However, I personally think its just a piece of crap. Its just a story that couldn't be simpler wrapped with a stunning amount of dollars. Stories like that I can write one everyday. It seems to me that the only criteria HK people use are fame and fortune. So its definitely more appealing to them to make commercial music and movies, like 谢庭风 or 周星驰, rather than high culture stuff which tend to put many people to sleep. I am not against entertaining stuff at all, but I just think its pathetic if thats all you have. 成龙 movies are good stuff and very entertaining, but I dont want westerners to think thats all we have. Quote
skylee Posted July 14, 2004 at 01:38 AM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 01:38 AM ummmm... it is 謝霆鋒 ... And I thought the OP asked some very innocent questions ... Quote
Ian_Lee Posted July 14, 2004 at 02:27 AM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 02:27 AM Beijingslacker: Pls update your knowledge about HK film industry. The last film Stephen Chow 周星馳 made in Hong Kong was 少林足球 (2001). For four years Chow has not made any other films in HK (He is making one in Shanghai Though). So what brought you the impression that HK only churns out Chow's movies since he hasn't made one in the last four years? Quote
sunyata Posted July 14, 2004 at 09:35 AM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 09:35 AM It seems to me that the only criteria HK people use are fame and fortune. So its definitely more appealing to them to make commercial music and movies, like 谢庭风 or 周星驰, rather than high culture stuff which tend to put many people to sleep. So what brought you the impression that HK only churns out Chow's movies since he hasn't made one in the last four years? ummm...I don't see the connection... I don't think BeijingSlacker meant that HK only spits out 周星驰 movies, he merely used him as an example for one genre of HK films that he considers shallow... I think 周星驰 movies are still OK, but the recent surge of completely retarded 爱 情 片 movies with Twins, Shu Qi, Sammi, etc is quite annoying - it's nothing but kiddie porn and cliche, trite plots Quote
Ian_Lee Posted July 14, 2004 at 06:22 PM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 06:22 PM I couldn't agree more on that winning International awards only proves that the film appealed to the Western audience. But HK made movies almost always sweep the majority of awards in the Golden Horse Film Festival held in Taiwan every year. Such honor shows at least that HK films appeal aesthetically and culturally to a great segment of Chinese speaking population. Quote
sunyata Posted July 14, 2004 at 10:06 PM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 10:06 PM Such honor shows at least that HK films appeal aesthetically and culturally to a great segment of Chinese speaking population. That sounds like an overly simplistic explanation. First you have to consider the nature of this particular award. If you look at their website, you will notice that most the "contestants" are either from HK or Taiwan. http://www.goldenhorse.org.tw/golden/?op=40_movie_list In fact, out of the 24 films currently selected, 12 are from HK. Naturally, this almost guarantess that some of the winners will be HK films. You have to wonder who selects these films and for what reasons? In many cases, film festival awards are just a way for creating hype in the promotion process of the latest blockbusters. Quote
Quest Posted July 14, 2004 at 10:09 PM Report Posted July 14, 2004 at 10:09 PM not saying all hk films are bad, but most are low budget movies. 得啖笑。 Quote
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