Pinyin /c/ pronounced as /t/ ?

[renzhe]

Actually, despite my best effort, I can't convince myself that "Leber" and "Gräber" sound the same.

But I'm standing my ground on "wer" and "wär"

[skillphiliac]

Yeah, well, that is lazyness at its best, I guess.

Try it this way:

"Wer kann mir helfen? (Who is able to help me?)"

"Waere da nicht dieser Felsblock, koennte ich den Fluss einfach ueberqueren. (If this boulder were not there, I could simply cross the river.)"

I think this might change your mind.

Edit: Sorry for giving the translations, you just never know, I suppose you would be capable of doing a quite decent job on those.

[renzhe]

Bah!

One is short, the other one is long, it's not comparable

Try this:

"Wer ist das?"

"Wie wär's?"

Anyway, we're drifting off-topic here. We should move to a new topic, but it's probably better if a mod moves the last several posts together.

[skillphiliac]

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[Hofmann]

...and I'm sure you all have taken a look over here, right?

[leeyah]

Perhaps it's like "č" and "ć" in Croatian, where even native speakers get it wrong all the time, while guys like me still harp on about how different they are.

Excellent example, renzhe.

skillphiliac wrote:

去死 for example would not be the equivalent at all to tschuess

我的天啊！ No！！！ Please, don't ever use 去死 (qù sǐ ), either as a hello or a bye-bye ...

[renzhe]

..and I'm sure you all have taken a look over here, right?

Well, thank you! I feel vindicated now Also regarding -ach and -uch

我的天啊！ No！！！ Please, don't ever use 去死 (qù sǐ ), either as a hello or a bye-bye ...

Tschuess is a running joke among the Chinese I've met in Germany. Whenever they first learn the word, they all laugh uncontrollably.

Actually, I learnt that "Tschuess" means "go and die" before I even started learning Chinese

[skillphiliac]

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