Guest Pipas Posted October 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM Report Posted October 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM I don't like the first 的 in this part of the sentence (by 郁达夫): 他的早熟的性情，竟把他挤到与世人绝不相容的境地去，世人与他的中间介在的那一道屏障，愈筑愈高了。 As if the wall is between 世人and "他的中间" .. Can it be omitted? Thanks! Quote
xiaocai Posted October 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM Report Posted October 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM I think you can. It actually sounds better to me as well if you omit the 的. Quote
Cowboy Posted October 22, 2009 at 04:46 PM Report Posted October 22, 2009 at 04:46 PM It's a little weird, would be better in this way: 世人与他之间的那层隔阂 Quote
buanryoh Posted October 23, 2009 at 07:14 AM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 07:14 AM Don't you need the 的 for the following phrase? Otherwise the 愈筑愈高了 wouldn't refer to the 屏障 Isn't 世人与他的中间介在的 the attributive? 那一道屏障 the subject? 愈筑愈高了 the predicate? Quote
Kenny同志 Posted October 23, 2009 at 08:17 AM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 08:17 AM (edited) This may sound better 他早熟的性情，竟把他挤到了与世人两不相容的境地，中间的那道屏障，愈筑愈高了。 （早期的白话文，很多都有问题；现在的中文，毛病也多得很。外国朋友想看纯正的中文，建议多看旧小说。） Edited October 23, 2009 at 11:59 AM by kenny2006woo Quote
xiaocai Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:18 AM 早期的白话文，很多都有问题 够直接，我喜欢！ Quote
HashiriKata Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:18 AM "Isn't 世人与他的中间介在的 the attributive?" Yes, it modifies the subject (below). "那一道屏障 the subject?" Yes! "愈筑愈高了 the predicate?" Yes! "Don't you need the 的 for the following phrase? Otherwise the 愈筑愈高了 wouldn't refer to the 屏障." This question does not seem clear to me. Which 的 do you mean (there are 2 of them)? And which "following phrase"? Anyway, the omission of 的 is only an option to lighten the sentence when there are more than one in the sentence, and when the omission does not affect the clarity of the sentence. Quote
Guest Pipas Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:31 PM （早期的白话文，很多都有问题；现在的中文，毛病也多得很。外国朋友想看纯正的中文，建议多看旧小说。） you are right, Kenny. It's a shame, but I'm not able to really savour the reading, feels a bit "vintage" to me Quote
Kenny同志 Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:43 PM Well, Pipa, if you find the classical works too hard, I recommend 余光中 and 思果. Their works are exemplary while not so hard as the classical stuff . PS: They are modern writers. Quote
Guest Pipas Posted October 23, 2009 at 01:26 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 01:26 PM thank you! Quote
HashiriKata Posted October 23, 2009 at 01:54 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 01:54 PM 建议多看旧小说 I'd recommend starting with "三国演义" Quote
xiaocai Posted October 23, 2009 at 02:30 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 02:30 PM I'd recommend starting with "三国演义" Really? I think that would be a quite challenging start. Quote
Kenny同志 Posted October 23, 2009 at 02:43 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 02:43 PM It may frighten many,lol. Quote
Guest Pipas Posted October 23, 2009 at 03:21 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 03:21 PM HashiriKata, the best of all is to start with something completely jiaguwenish Quote
HashiriKata Posted October 23, 2009 at 04:56 PM Report Posted October 23, 2009 at 04:56 PM the best of all is to start with something completely jiaguwenish Completely agreed! So would you like to start with the passage in the photo below? Looks pretty easy to me Quote
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