Ian_Lee Posted August 24, 2004 at 01:46 AM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 01:46 AM Even though PRC rivals US in Gold Medal count day by day, the most startling performance so far from Asian countries is -- Japan. By today, Japan has already grabbed 15 Gold Medals -- 3 times more than what it had grabbed in the Sydney Olympics in 2000. Moreover, it is the 3rd country with the most Gold Medals. Its swimmers and gymnasts seem to be in par, if not stronger, than their Chinese counterparts. Quote
Quest Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:28 AM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:28 AM but 8 of those golds came from Judo (their national sport), and 2 from wrestling, which is basically the same thing. If you give 14 golds to Wushu, I m sure China would be well ahead of the United States now. Quote
Ian_Lee Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:49 AM Author Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:49 AM But China's Gold Medals are also from only selected sports, i.e. weightlifting, pingpong, shooting and diving. So far there is only one Gold Medal in swimming and none in Track and Field. Quote
roddy Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:57 AM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:57 AM Judo ... and ... wrestling, which is basically the same thing I've got a shiny red 100Y note for you if you say that to any Olympic Gold medallist in either of those sports . . . Roddy Quote
bhchao Posted August 24, 2004 at 04:20 AM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 04:20 AM Chinese Olympic swimmers are not very athletic, especially the female swimmers, when compared to Olympic swimmers of other countries. I was surprised when a Chinese swimmer won the women's 100m breaststroke. It's a good start, but the breaststroke requires less strength than the butterfly or freestyle. I was watching the women's gymnastics all-around, and that Russian gymnast Khorkina is arrogant! Not to mention calling herself the "Queen of Gymnastics" Quote
chengdude Posted August 24, 2004 at 06:37 AM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 06:37 AM For me, the most interesting trend is the fall of Germany as a Summer Olympics power. OK, East Germany was a massive cheat with regards to doping, but it seems that any advantage -even just a little- that a unified Germany would have gotten from the former East's sporting infrastructure and experience has vanished. The East alone would regularly take over a hundred medals, but since unification Germany has scored 80 in 1992, 65 in 1996, 57 in 2000, and as of now in 2004, 29. Quote
Quest Posted August 24, 2004 at 01:50 PM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 01:50 PM But China's Gold Medals are also from only selected sports, i.e. weightlifting, pingpong, shooting and diving. Japan: Athletics - Women's Marathon NOGUCHI Mizuki Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Team JPN Judo - Men's -60 kg NOMURA Tadahiro Judo - Men's -66 kg UCHISHIBA Masato Judo - Men's +100 kg SUZUKI Keiji Judo - Women's -48 kg TANI Ryoko Judo - Women's -63 kg TANIMOTO Ayumi Judo - Women's -70 kg UENO Masae Judo - Women's -78 kg ANNO Noriko Judo - Women's +78 kg TSUKADA Maki Swimming - Women's 800m Freestyle SHIBATA Ai Swimming - Men's 100m Breaststroke KITAJIMA Kosuke Swimming - Men's 200m Breaststroke KITAJIMA Kosuke WR - Women's Freestyle 55kg YOSHIDA Saori WR - Women's Freestyle 63kg ICHO Kaori [b]5 categories.[/b] _____________________________________________________ Australia: Cycling Road - Women's Road Race CARRIGAN Sara Cycling Track - Men's Team Pursuit AUS Cycling Track - Women's 500m Time Trial MEARES Anna Diving - Women's 10m Platform NEWBERY Chantelle Rowing - Men's Pairs AUS Shooting - Women's Trap BALOGH Suzanne Swimming - Women's 100m Freestyle HENRY Jodie Swimming - Women's 100m Butterfly THOMAS Petria Swimming - Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay AUS Swimming - Women's 4x100m Medley Relay AUS Swimming - Men's 200m Freestyle THORPE Ian Swimming - Men's 400m Freestyle THORPE Ian Swimming - Men's 1500m Freestyle HACKETT Grant [b]5 categories[/b] ___________________________________________________ China: Badminton - Women's Singles ZHANG Ning Badminton - Women's Doubles CHN Badminton - Mixed Doubles CHN Diving - Women's Synchr 3m Springboard CHN Diving - Men's Synchr 10m Platform CHN Diving - Women's Synchr 10m Platform CHN Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Pommel Horse TENG Haibin Judo - Women's -52 kg XIAN Dongmei Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle 3 Positions JIA Zhanbo Shooting - Men's 10m Air Rifle ZHU Qinan Shooting - Men's 10m Air Pistol WANG Yifu Shooting - Women's 10m Air Rifle DU Li Swimming - Women's 100m Breaststroke LUO Xuejuan Tennis - Women's Doubles CHN Table Tennis - Women's Singles ZHANG Yining Table Tennis - Men's Doubles CHN Table Tennis - Women's Doubles CHN Weightlifling - Men's 62kg SHI Zhiyong Weightlifling - Men's 69kg ZHANG Guozheng Weightlifling - Women's 58kg CHEN Yanqing Weightlifling - Women's 69kg LIU Chunhong Weightlifling - Women's +75kg TANG Gonghong WR - Women's Freestyle 72kg WANG Xu [b]10 categories[/b] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ USA: Athletics - Men's 100m GATLIN Justin Athletics - Men's 400m WARINER Jeremy Cycling Road - Men's Individual Time Trial HAMILTON Tyler Fencing - Women's Individual Sabre ZAGUNIS Mariel Gymnastics Artistic - Men's Individual All-Around HAMM Paul Gymnastics Artistic - Women's Individual All-Around PATTERSON Carly Rowing - Men's Eight USA Sailing - Men's 470 USA Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Prone EMMONS Matthew Shooting - Women's Double Trap RHODE Kimberly Softball - Women's Team USA Swimming - Women's 100m Backstroke COUGHLIN Natalie Swimming - Women's 200m Breaststroke BEARD Amanda Swimming - Women's 4x200m Freestyle Relay USA Swimming - Men's 50m Freestyle HALL Gary Swimming - Men's 100m Backstroke PEIRSOL Aaron Swimming - Men's 200m Backstroke PEIRSOL Aaron Swimming - Men's 100m Butterfly PHELPS Michael Swimming - Men's 200m Butterfly PHELPS Michael Swimming - Men's 200m Individual Medley PHELPS Michael Swimming - Men's 400m Individual Medley PHELPS Michael Swimming - Men's 4 x 200m Freestyle Relay USA Swimming - Men's 4 x 100m Medley Relay USA [b]9 categories[/b] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ selected sports? Is swimming a "selected sport"? Quote
Quest Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:02 PM Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 02:02 PM Chinese Olympic swimmers are not very athletic, especially the female swimmers, when compared to Olympic swimmers of other countries. I was surprised when a Chinese swimmer won the women's 100m breaststroke. It's a good start, but the breaststroke requires less strength than the butterfly or freestyle. In 1992 Barcelona Olympics Chinese girls won 4 golds, 5 silvers in swimming : 金牌 庄 泳 女子１００米自由泳 freestyle 钱 红 女子１００米蝶泳 butterfly 林 莉 女子２００米个人混合泳 individual medley 杨文意 女子５０米自由泳 freestyle 银牌 林 莉 女子４００米个人混合泳 individual medley 林 莉 女子２００米蛙泳 breaststroke 王晓红 女子２００米蝶泳 butterfly 庄 泳 女子５０米自由泳 freestyle 女子４×１００米自由泳接力 relay Quote
Ian_Lee Posted August 24, 2004 at 06:30 PM Author Report Posted August 24, 2004 at 06:30 PM Quest: If Chinese female swimmers could grasp 4 Gold 5 Silver Medals in Barcelona in 1992, then why do they only get 1 Gold 1 Silver in Athens? Such regressive result lends some credence to the doping rumor. Quote
roddy Posted August 25, 2004 at 12:41 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 12:41 AM What doping rumour? The one you're trying to start? Roddy Quote
Ian_Lee Posted August 25, 2004 at 01:08 AM Author Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 01:08 AM Roddy: The rumor was pontificated by the Turks. Read: http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/01_01_99/sport2.htm Of course the whole year (1998) started out with a doping scandal when Chinese swimmer Yuan Yuan was caught entering Australia for the World Championships with more than a little Human Growth Hormone (HGH). After dominating the 1994 championships in Rome with 16 golds and 28 medals overall, the Chinese were expected to be a big presence. But after Yuan was caught, she and her coach were sent home in disgrace and the Chinese returned to Beijing with only six golds and more accusations about systematic doping. And of course the Chinese female swimmers are definitely clean this year. Otherwise they would have fetched 4 Gold 5 Silver like what they have achieved in Barcelona 12 years ago! Quote
Quest Posted August 25, 2004 at 01:47 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 01:47 AM The rumor was for the generation of swimmers after those 4 women in Barcelona. If they were tested clean during the Barcelona olympics, then they were clean, period. I don't know what you are trying to say here. They would have been disqualified if what you accuse them of was true. If Chinese female swimmers could grasp 4 Gold 5 Silver Medals in Barcelona in 1992, then why do they only get 1 Gold 1 Silver in Athens? Because they are not the same swimmers as 12 years ago, duh. It is not to be denied that China cannot match the swimming powers the US and Australia, but they are not as weak as bhchao thought. Quote
chengdude Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:01 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:01 AM Yeah, more than just a rumor...Quest should have quit while he was ahead as Chinese swimming went through quite a patch of rough water after those Barcelona Games...a Google search using words like "Chinese swimming/swimmers/banned/doping" will reveal all the sordid details you care to read, culminating in a 0-medal performance at the 2000 Sydney Games. Quote
Quest Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:07 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:07 AM oh come on, yes there were swimmers that were tested positive for doping in the years afterwards, but during the Barcelona Olympics, none of those 4 women was tested positive. On what grounds can you say they doped then? Quote
Ian_Lee Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:12 AM Author Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:12 AM Quest: The East German female swimmers were not found to use performance enhancement drugs in the '88 Seoul Olympics as well as earlier Games. But now everyone knows they didn't deserve those medals even though they were not caught on the spot. Quote
Quest Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:19 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:19 AM What if I say: The Australians dope, they are not caught, but I am sure they dope. The Americans dope, they are not caught on the spot, but everyone knows they don't deserve those medals. Let's be fair. Quote
Ian_Lee Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:32 AM Author Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:32 AM Quest: But unlike PRC female swimming athletes, the overall performance of the American and Australian female swimmers have been more steady. The medal counts have been increasing or decreasing more gradually. Of course, individually there have been doping rumors revolving around them too. But for PRC, the decrease in medal count has been very drastic. It dropped from 16 Gold Medals in World Cup in Rome in 1994 to 1 Gold Medal this year in Athens. So what went wrong? There is no explanation. But if you have old tapes, go review those Chinese female swimmers in Barcelona in '92. Many of them, like Ms Yang, looked like a man more than a real man in body buildup. On the other hand, Ms Lou, the sole Gold Medal winner in swimming in Athens, looks like a real girl. Quote
Quest Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:35 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 02:35 AM yadda yadda lets move on. Quote
hparade Posted August 25, 2004 at 08:49 AM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 08:49 AM it seems Ian's a big fan of japan in every field....... it's a bit disappointing that japan's defeated by china in volleyball women by 0-3 Quote
Quest Posted August 25, 2004 at 03:08 PM Report Posted August 25, 2004 at 03:08 PM Russia, the previous swimming super power, only won 1 silver in Athens. oh they must have cheated before. Quote
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