Liang Jieming Posted September 3, 2004 at 04:43 PM Report Posted September 3, 2004 at 04:43 PM The Ming Treasure Fleet Sails “Of late we have dispatched missions to announce our Mandate to foreign nations and during their journeys over the oceans they have been favoured… They have escaped disaster and misfortune, journeying in safety to and fro…." - Emperor Zhu Di, A.D. 1409 By A.D. 1420, China’s navy was the largest in the world, with 400 large war junks stationed at the capital Nanjing, 1,350 warships and "river and canal" patrol boats stationed elsewhere, 3,000 merchant vessels that could be converted into fighting ships if needed, 400 huge grain transports, and 250 “treasure ships,” overseas warships that brought back riches from far flung missions of trade and diplomacy. Under the command of Grand Admiral Zheng He, a fleet of these huge junks; some over 200 feet long and armed with cannon, rockets, and guns, carried Chinese naval power and trade throughout Southeast Asia and into the Indian Ocean, pushing back pirates, establishing trading and forward bases and reopening trade with India, Arab East Africa, and the Ottoman Empire between A.D. 1405 and A.D. 1433. Excavated from the mud in a backwater of Longjiang shipyard, one of the Ming naval shipyards in Nanjing, is a rudder-post which is 36.2 ft long and 1.25 ft in diameter. Using these measurements, naval architects estimate that the rudder attached to the post was nearly half its length in height and breadth, or 452 sqft of wood. The ship to which such a rudder belonged would, following the rules of thumb for Chinese ship construction, be at least 400 ft long. One rudder post, as a solitary find, and possibly never fitted to a ship, does not represent a fleet, but it is a tantalizing hint of a navy of gigantic ships that outweighed, out-gunned and out-classed anything afloat in a European navy of the time. Zheng He's treasure ship was estimated to be 400 ft in length, compared to Columbus's St. Maria of 85 ft. The European powers, just then adapting cannon to warships and starting the progression toward large warships of their own, never came into contact with the “treasure ships.” After 1433, a new emperor, fearing the perils of overseas contact, withdrew the overseas and coastal navy and scrapped it as China withdrew into its own borders to once again confine much of the trade and traffic to rivers and canals. Chinese merchant junks on the high seas and coast were left to the mercy of Indonesian, Vietnamese and Japanese pirates. The seas were left open to the arriving Europeans – the Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch, who by the early 16th century seized control of the overseas trade in spices, silks and other commodities with ships that could not have withstood the might of the Ming navy at the height of Chinese naval power decades earlier. Had Zheng He’s “treasure ships” remained on the seas, the history of the world might have been very different. China entered a period of naval decline and then ultimately a time of humiliation by foreign powers, particularly during the Opium Wars (A.D. 1839-1842) and the subsequent interventions of Britain, Germany, Japan and Russia. In the 20th century, China finally emerged from what some termed “a long sleep” and is now one of the world’s largest naval powers and sea trading nations. Vancouver Maritime Museum Quote
roddy Posted September 4, 2004 at 12:54 AM Report Posted September 4, 2004 at 12:54 AM And no credit for the author? Or do you work for Vancouver Maritime Museum? Roddy Quote
ChouDoufu Posted September 23, 2004 at 12:48 AM Report Posted September 23, 2004 at 12:48 AM are there any sources that talk specifically about the chinese ships that reached san francisco? I've looked on the web some, but mostly I hear about a possible colony set up in Rhode Island and such... But I thought the proof of visits to Sanfran was more established and accepted... Quote
Claw Posted September 23, 2004 at 03:12 AM Report Posted September 23, 2004 at 03:12 AM ChouDoufu: check out the book, 1421: The Year China Discovered America, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/006054094X/. A lot of what it talks about is controversial, but it does talk about Chinese colonies in California. Quote
ChouDoufu Posted September 23, 2004 at 05:54 AM Report Posted September 23, 2004 at 05:54 AM unfortunately i'm in bj and was hoping to find something online. I'm also shying away from that book because it's so controversial. if there was a greater amount of literature on the subject then perhaps I'd look at that book as well, but it seems to be an island in and of itself. chinese sources would be ok too (I haven't had a chance to do a keyword searchin chinese.. if someone wants to do it for me..) Quote
yonglan Posted September 23, 2004 at 03:23 PM Report Posted September 23, 2004 at 03:23 PM I was going to be on "vacation", but . . . The guy who wrote _1421_ was on PBS in the US a few weeks ago (may have been a BBC show, I don't know) and whether or not the Chinese reached the Americas, that guy surely has no idea whatsoever what he's talking about. He's just financing his retirement. It was sad really, because when the book first came out I read part of the introduction in the bookstore and it sounded intriguing. Problem is when one reads history one likes the author to be honest with the reader. He is not. He just blatantly twisted things. Find that video or information on it -- particularly the interview they conducted with the author -- if you want to know more. Quote
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