murrayjames Posted December 10, 2010 at 04:41 AM Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 at 04:41 AM I posted this in the Quick Translation forum but didn't get an answer. Since it's a grammar question, I'll ask it here: Is 因为……而 like 因为……所以 ? Here's the sample sentence and my attempt at a translation... 他也因为激烈反对种族主义而著称。 "He is also widely known for his strong opposition to racism." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenniferW Posted December 10, 2010 at 10:40 AM Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 at 10:40 AM 因为 can be used without 所以. I would suggest treating this as an example as that, and you then can see 而 functioning as 'normal', as a conjunction, joining two adjectival components of the sentence, I would say here in its 'and so' meaning. Hope that makes sense (and that it's a good guess at the grammatical structure). 而 is generally more literary in style / register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma3zi1 Posted December 10, 2010 at 06:54 PM Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 at 06:54 PM Your intuition is correct. You may also see this structure as: 因……而…… (with 為/为 omitted) For example: 受害者因窒息而死亡。"The victim died from asphyxiation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted December 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM Another example: 因為說了當權者不喜歡的話而被判刑=以言入罪 (Imprisoned because of saying something that displeases the authority) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted December 11, 2010 at 02:53 AM Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 at 02:53 AM I just want to make sure I'm parsing this correctly: 說話 is the main verb, right? Then, to build up, it would be 說了話, then 當權者不喜歡的 modifies that, and gets stuck in between? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted December 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM I don't know enough grammar to explain it. But I think the verb is 說 (say), and the object is 當權者不喜歡的話 (something that displeases the authority). This is probably not a correct explanation in terms of grammar, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenniferW Posted December 11, 2010 at 03:16 PM Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 at 03:16 PM From the point of view of sentence structure, I would suggest looking at this as two equal status clauses, which have a common subject. The two clauses have been conjoined, with the deletion of one representation of the subject - and the addition of words with conjunction functions. This way of looking at it makes it inappropriate to look for one main verb, remembering how hazy the line is in Chinese between things speakers of a Western language tend to think of as either adjectival, or verbal (but not both). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiangping Posted December 11, 2010 at 04:41 PM Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 at 04:41 PM Glenn, yep that's it, to totally simplify it down, you've got 說 as the main verb in the first clause (then 話 and everything modifying it as the object), and 判 as the main verb in the second clause. -- 而 is a really interesting particle. It was the primary verbal coordinator in Classical Chinese, and you can still see that in some formal structures, like 進而, 因而, and 而已. This usage is also apparent when it's used to connect stative verbs (...and of course in the millions of chengyu it appears in). It also crops up meaning "but, yet", which you can see in structures like 然而 (to be so, but... --> "however"), and 雖...而... (although...but...). All in all it's probably better to just think of it as a connector word that means whatever it has to mean in context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted December 11, 2010 at 06:07 PM Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 at 06:07 PM Thanks. Yeah, it probably would have been better to say that 說 is the verb and 話 is the generic object, and all the other stuff describes the object. Anyway, thanks for confirming that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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