danqi Posted November 19, 2004 at 08:32 PM Report Posted November 19, 2004 at 08:32 PM I am stuck with the translation of the following phrase of classical chinese. Any help is greatly appreciated (sp?). 為人上者,患在不明;為人下者,患在不忠。 Quote
skylee Posted November 19, 2004 at 10:58 PM Report Posted November 19, 2004 at 10:58 PM 為人上者 - as a superior 患在不明 - not being clear-sighted/discerning/wise is a trouble 為人下者 - as a subordinate 患在不忠 - being disloyal is a trouble Quote
danqi Posted November 20, 2004 at 10:33 AM Author Report Posted November 20, 2004 at 10:33 AM Thank you very much. The 為人上者 (and its counterpart) part suddely seems obvious. But I still don't really understand the 患在不明 part. I guess this is because this usage of 在 is new to me. My grammar is not very advanced yet. Is, in this context, 不明 a noun acting as a local object? As in: Trouble lies in not being wise. Quote
HashiriKata Posted November 20, 2004 at 10:49 AM Report Posted November 20, 2004 at 10:49 AM From the knowledge that most words in Chinese can act as nouns (and especially so in Classical Chinese), I guess you're right. Quote
nnt Posted November 20, 2004 at 01:11 PM Report Posted November 20, 2004 at 01:11 PM 患在不明 : Trouble lies in not being wise. You've got it right. Skylee's translation is another way of expressing the same idea. There are other famous examples : 出 move 其 at their 不意 moment of unawareness 功 attack 其 at their 无备 undefended point Quote
danqi Posted November 21, 2004 at 11:03 AM Author Report Posted November 21, 2004 at 11:03 AM Thanks alot, you guys really helped me out. Quote
thepokergod Posted November 22, 2004 at 10:55 PM Report Posted November 22, 2004 at 10:55 PM Which text are you studying? I am battling through Mencius at the moment. Very hard but really interesting! Quote
danqi Posted November 23, 2004 at 12:46 PM Author Report Posted November 23, 2004 at 12:46 PM Actually, this was just a homework excerciese. I've only had classical Chinese (btw, is that what you call it in English?) for a few weeks. We are not yet at the point of translating whole texts. Quote
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