rezaf Posted June 29, 2011 at 01:14 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 01:14 PM I was just watching an episode of a program called 武林大会 which apparently is supposed to be 八卦掌 against 心意六合拳 :huh: but is actually more like some kids wrestling(they don't even seem to know how to wrestle). Is China really so short of martial artists? Aren't they ashamed of putting such low level people for representing Chinese martial arts? Quote
Meng Lelan Posted June 29, 2011 at 04:08 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 04:08 PM I really don't know the answer to that question, but in large martial arts schools for youth (for example in Dengfeng) the students have a lot of performances to do in addition to training so they aren't available to be hired out for tv and movie productions I guess. Quote
rezaf Posted June 29, 2011 at 06:14 PM Author Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 06:14 PM This one is not a performance. It is supposed to be actual fighting but there isn't a trace of xinyi in the xinyi guys and the bagua guys try to show some bagua stuff at the beginning but then they start wrestling like kids. Quote
Avatar Posted June 29, 2011 at 07:46 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 07:46 PM It's only an entertainment programme. Quote
renzhe Posted June 29, 2011 at 08:58 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 08:58 PM Most traditional eastern martial arts styles (and this includes most Chinese arts) have developed many stylised techniques as their focus shifted away from pure fighting towards health, longevity, spiritual cultivation, character development, and many other aspects that make martial arts so valuable. You could argue (and I do) that most of them have never been primarily about fighting at all. They are still fighting arts, but not only fighting arts. Many things that make taiji, bagua etc. so beautiful simply don't work well when you have a nasty violent ruffian in front of you. They were never meant to. Quote
edelweis Posted June 29, 2011 at 09:30 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 09:30 PM Competitions have rules that preclude (is this the correct word :blink: ) using the most efficient (but often visually unimpressive) techniques. So, what's left? Either combat sports techniques (visually impressive, physically demanding, possibly not the best choice in a real fight), or, well, fumbling around trying to stay within the rules instead of striking hard the opponent's weakest points - eyes, throat, unmentionable body parts - as martial arts (do? should?) teach. But then I don't practice any more and never got a really advanced level so this may be just crazy ideas swimming around in my head. Edit: So, Rezaf, did you expect to see something more athletic or more deadly/dirty? Quote
Meng Lelan Posted June 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM I was just watching an episode of a program It's only an entertainment programme. Right. No one is forcing you to watch entertainment programs. Quote
rezaf Posted June 29, 2011 at 11:19 PM Author Report Posted June 29, 2011 at 11:19 PM Real martial arts(including chen taiji , bagua and xinyi) are still being taught out there and there are still closed door competitions between those martial artists. Even if you limit a martial artist from attacking certain dangerous points that mess in that program won't happen because trained people have a more connected body structure. So, Rezaf, did you expect to see something more athletic or more deadly/dirty? No because I'm aware of the rules but I expected to see better trained people. I think those kids are more likely to have been trained in kickboxing, sanda or some other combat sports with an additional few months in one of those arts they represent for the sake of this TV program. All in all it's so 丢脸 for internal martial arts. No one is forcing you to watch entertainment programs. Not even so entertaining. Many things that make taiji, bagua etc. so beautiful simply don't work well when you have a nasty violent ruffian in front of you. They were never meant to. It depends on whether you are talking about this one or this one . Beauty of a move is different for people of different levels. Quote
edelweis Posted June 30, 2011 at 04:57 PM Report Posted June 30, 2011 at 04:57 PM @rezaf You've got me intrigued about closed doors competitions. Have you watched or participated in one of these? What are the rules? Is it, well, sport-like fighting with some forbidden techniques, or is it some specialised exercise competition? Are these only for practitioners of the same martial art, or are there some inter-style competitions as well? Quote
rezaf Posted July 1, 2011 at 04:21 PM Author Report Posted July 1, 2011 at 04:21 PM The ones I have heard about can be between people from the same or different styles but some people are not just limited to one single style so in a real fight they just do whatever they have to do, anyway I sent you a message. Quote
edelweis Posted July 2, 2011 at 06:53 AM Report Posted July 2, 2011 at 06:53 AM yes, thanks, I got it. Quote
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