New Members Xuebao Posted October 17, 2012 at 06:26 PM New Members Report Posted October 17, 2012 at 06:26 PM Hi guys, first but not last time I'm here I guess. Is it possible to say -it's my birthday- without further time/date specification, as e.g. answer to -what's going on tommorow-...in chinese? Or do I always have to say something like 今天/明天/星期天 before 是我的生日? 谢谢 Quote
fanglu Posted October 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM Report Posted October 17, 2012 at 11:47 PM it's my birthday What does the 'it's' mean here? English uses 'it's' a lot (eg It's cold today), whereas Chinese does not. I don't think there is any way of translating this 'it's' without replacing the 'it' with another word (eg The weather's cold today). Quote
count_zero Posted October 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 12:15 AM The "it's" here means nothing, without context. So the answer is 我的生日. Though that assumes this is kind of a trick question. Quote
tooironic Posted October 18, 2012 at 01:06 AM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 01:06 AM it's my birthday = 是我的生日 it's my birthday (today) = 今天是我的生日 This is an example of a dummy subject in English. It has no real meaning here, it's just a compulsory part of a grammatically complete sentence in English. Chinese does not have such a thing or structure. Quote
count_zero Posted October 18, 2012 at 02:22 AM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 02:22 AM > This is an example of a dummy subject in English. I'm not sure that's right. In "It's raining", "it's" is clearly a dummy pronoun. It doesn't refer to anything. However, in this example: A: What's tomorrow? B: It's my birthday! The "it's" is refers to tomorrow and so is functioning like a normal pronoun. If you get up in the morning and say "It's my birthday" I would say that "it's" refers to "today". I could be wrong. Quote
eshton Posted October 18, 2012 at 08:31 AM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 08:31 AM I have to agree with fanglu,if I heard you say 是我的生日 without specifying which day I would say 什么天? Quote
daofeishi Posted October 18, 2012 at 09:52 AM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 09:52 AM if I heard you say 是我的生日 without specifying which day I would say 什么天? You shouldn't, because that would be ungrammatical What time = 什么时间 or 什么时候, depending on context. What day = 星期几 or 哪(一)天, depending on context. 是我的生日(了) is, as far as I can tell, perfectly grammatical, but would usually be accompanied by another clause. "什么天” does, by the way, show up as a translation of "what day". [edit: or maybe not, read Skylee's comment] Not in the sense of "what date/day of the week", but in the sense of "what kind of day is it/what's special about that day" 甲:明天要记得打扮漂漂亮亮的哦 乙:啊?明天是什么天呀? Quote
eshton Posted October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM Thank you for correcting my grammar daofeishi. Quote
skylee Posted October 18, 2012 at 01:58 PM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 01:58 PM "什么天” does, by the way, show up as a translation of "what day". Not in the sense of "what date/day of the week", but in the sense of "what kind of day is it/what's special about that day"甲:明天要记得打扮漂漂亮亮的哦 乙:啊?明天是什么天呀? Do people really find this acceptable? I don't, and I don't think I have heard/read things like this. 甚麼日子 is what I would use. Quote
tooironic Posted October 18, 2012 at 09:37 PM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 09:37 PM @count_zero Actually the definition of "dummy subject" is a controversial topic; some grammarians claim that "it's" in "it's raining" refers to the sky (!). In the example you gave though I can see how you'd think that "it" is functioning as a normal pronoun. Quote
daofeishi Posted October 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM Report Posted October 18, 2012 at 10:22 PM Do people really find this acceptable? I don't, and I don't think I have heard/read things like this. 甚麼日子 is what I would use. I recall having heard it, and having googled the phrase there seems to be several examples of it used that way. You are a native speaker, so you are the authority on what sounds natural. If you think it is unacceptable, the usage is probably nonstandard. Quote
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