enaskitis Posted December 1, 2012 at 12:57 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 12:57 AM 你家房子拆是不拆! That's a phrase hurled at a home-owning family by a 黑社会人员 who works (along with 30-50 others) for a 开发商。 It comes from the subtitles of this (0.48). I don't understand the 拆是不拆 syntax. Thanks for you help. Quote
creamyhorror Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:07 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:07 AM I assume it's a shortening of 拆还是不拆 (threatening "are you gonna let us knock it down or not?"). Quote
enaskitis Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:11 AM Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:11 AM I see; a typical shortening of the every-day language or just a mistake of the subtitler? Quote
creamyhorror Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:58 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 01:58 AM I don't think it's a proper shortening, but it might acceptable in some forms of regional speech. It might be a mistake in the subtitles, as you say. (The subtitles themselves actually seem to be a descriptive message of the events of that day, or possibly a news report narrative, rather than a translation of the actual speech in the video.) Quote
imron Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:32 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:32 AM I think it's an acceptable regional shortening, and is not a mistake of the subtitles. Quote
skylee Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:34 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:34 AM I don't think it is a shortening (but I don't know what is taught in text books). I think it is proper and clear. I looked at the title of this thread and I knew what it means (as explained in #2). Quote
enaskitis Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM Thank you all! Maybe this shortening is compounded by the fact that in this specific case 拆 and the missing 还 have the same -ai diphthong ending. Anyway, when inputing this sentence on the keyboard, the IME doesn't recognize/propose 拆是不拆; instead, being clueless, it proposes the incongruent 差事不拆。 Quote
imron Posted December 1, 2012 at 11:49 AM Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 11:49 AM Maybe this shortening is compounded by the fact that in this specific case 拆 and the missing 还 have the same -ai diphthong ending. I don't think so. This structure (regardless of whether or not verb in question ends in -ai) is not uncommon - at least not where I used to live in Hebei. This video was from Hebei also, hence the reason I figured to be a regional thing. If others say it's proper and clear elsewhere too, then I would take that over the output of an IME which though mostly good is still prone to mistakes. Quote
enaskitis Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:31 PM Author Report Posted December 1, 2012 at 02:31 PM I see. So it's almost identical to 你拆不拆,i.e.拆还是不拆 -> 拆是不拆 -> 拆不拆。All practically the same. Quote
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