容易---still having confusions about the R-sound

[graphis_7]

I am still very confused about the R sound (RONG, RAN), can anyone listen to my sound samples attached and tell me which version is the most accurate? Thanks!

*the volume might be a little low, so please turn it up if needed to, the sound is definitely there!

容易

-version 1

-version 2

-version 3

雖然

-version 1

-version 2

-version 3

easy3.wma

easy2.wma

easy1.wma

although3.wma

although2.wma

although1.wma

[陳德聰]

It might be a problem with my computer (?) but even with my volume cranked as high as it will go I can barely hear the recordings. From what I did hear though, the 2nd recording of each one is off. The /r/ from 1 and 3 of both seem acceptable enough, while your suī in 雖然 is definitely very Cantonese-y.

[graphis_7]

thanks for the response 陳德聰, i re-recorded the clips so they are now much louder...hopefully you can check them out again

Sign i really don't know what "very cantonese-y" really means...can you please elaborate?

many thanks!

[skylee]

This is what I think -

Although1 is ok. Although2 is absolutely wrong. Although3 is not good (don't roll your tongue). And the "sui" is wrong (You pronounced the "s" as if it were "sh". But I don't think you did it because you speak Cantonese. )

Easy2 is definitely wrong. Easy1 is bad. Easy3 is about ok, but again I think you should keep your tongue still.

Re the wrong ones - r ≠ y

[David Wong]

Although1 is the best attempt among the three but It sounds to me like you're pronouncing 虽 using the fourth tone while it should be the first tone. I think Easy3 is fine.

[Don_Horhe]

Although1 is closest to what standard r should sound like. Have a look at this page: http://www.sinosplice.com/learn-chinese/pronunciation-of-mandarin-chinese/5 It's the best non-technical description of the correct articulation of zh, ch, sh, j, q, x and r I've ever come across.

[graphis_7]

thanks for all the feedbacks!

Can anyone check although4 and although5 to see if i have fixed the "SUI" issue??? thanks!

although4.wma

although5.wma

[skylee]

I think although4 is good.

[陳德聰]

Ditto to skylee, although4 = good.

What I meant by "Cantonese-y" is that the vowel sounded like sounded Cantonese where 雖 and 佢 rhyme, not the part where it sounded like an "sh".