anonymoose Posted March 24, 2013 at 01:33 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 01:33 PM I came across 这回又有得斗了 somewhere, but I'm not sure whether the use of 得 here is correct. I could understand if 的 were used instead (这回又有的斗了), but a Google search for "又有得斗了" turns up over 64000 results, whereas "又有的斗了" only turns up 72000. Since when people are not very careful about using 的、得 and 地, then usually 的 is used by default, then I'd be surprised that there are almost as many results for "又有得斗了" as for "又有的斗了" if it were simply a issue of incorrect usage. On the other hand, maybe both of them are correct, in which case, what is the difference in meaning or usage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaocai Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:11 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:11 PM 汉典 seems to think both are correct. And from what I can see here and here the meaning and usage are very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:15 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:15 PM This seems to be the usage: 2. 表示程度深或持续时间长。《官场现形记》第三三回：“ 上海道前脚走， 上海县跟着又来。并不是欺他官小，对不住他，只好挡驾；见面之后，有得同你缠。” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:28 PM Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:28 PM OK, so they are equivalent. But I wish dictionaries would give more normal examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creamyhorror Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM Isn't this the usage "there is stuff to [verb]", e.g. zhe li you de wan, you de chi? I feel like 得 is the 'right' word to use here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM I am not sure I understand #2-4. For me 有得 means 可以, or 有機會/理由去做甚麼甚麼. PS - I agree with #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:52 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 02:52 PM Here is an entry from 现代汉语规范词典 in Pleco: 有的是 yǒudeshì 强调有很多 ▷我这儿～书｜你想吃苹果?～。 有的 in this usage is a colloquial way of "going to be very much / a lot". It's probably derived from a non-Mandarin dialect. I don't think it's common in northern speech, but it is very common in Shanghainese. 这会又有的斗了 means that "there is going to a lot of fighting again this time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:00 PM 有得 (not 的) is common in Cantonese as I know it. It does not necessarily mean "a lot", though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:14 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:14 PM You think it means "there is stuff to [verb]" here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creamyhorror Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:35 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:35 PM 有的是yǒudeshì 强调有很多 ▷我这儿～书｜你想吃苹果?～。 有的 in this usage is a colloquial way of "going to be very much / a lot". It's probably derived from a non-Mandarin dialect. I don't think it's common in northern speech, but it is very common in Shanghainese. 有的是[noun] is not 有得[verb], they're different phrases. As skylee said, 有得 doesn't imply "a large amount". 这回又有得斗了 = Now there's stuff to fight over 得 is appropriate because it means 可以, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:54 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 03:54 PM I would say that 这回又有得斗了 is not equivalent to 这回又有事情要斗了. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted March 24, 2013 at 04:01 PM Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 04:01 PM I still don't get it. What is the difference then? How would you translate each sentence? Or, under what circumstances would it be appropriate to use either sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gato Posted March 24, 2013 at 04:05 PM Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 04:05 PM [i'll let it sit for a while and let others comment.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted March 24, 2013 at 05:32 PM Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 at 05:32 PM I think I get it now. It's just as creamyhorror and skylee said in #4 and #5. As far as I can ascertain, 得 is correct, but whether or not 的 can be used in it's place, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members Lupeianii Posted March 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM New Members Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM 得 is the correct one, not because it is kind of complement-suffix of verb, but because it means "gain" in this phrase. 有得, means have gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creamyhorror Posted March 25, 2013 at 05:10 AM Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 at 05:10 AM I would say that 这回又有得斗了 is not equivalent to 这回又有事情要斗了. Fair enough, we could leave it at 有得 = 可以 as skylee said. Glad this has been cleared up, anonymoose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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