Is 这回又有得斗了 correct?

[anonymoose]

I came across 这回又有得斗了 somewhere, but I'm not sure whether the use of 得 here is correct. I could understand if 的 were used instead (这回又有的斗了), but a Google search for "又有得斗了" turns up over 64000 results, whereas "又有的斗了" only turns up 72000. Since when people are not very careful about using 的、得 and 地, then usually 的 is used by default, then I'd be surprised that there are almost as many results for "又有得斗了" as for "又有的斗了" if it were simply a issue of incorrect usage. On the other hand, maybe both of them are correct, in which case, what is the difference in meaning or usage?

[xiaocai]

汉典 seems to think both are correct. And from what I can see here and here the meaning and usage are very similar.

[gato]

This seems to be the usage:

2. 表示程度深或持续时间长。《官场现形记》第三三回：“ 上海道前脚走， 上海县跟着又来。并不是欺他官小，对不住他，只好挡驾；见面之后，有得同你缠。”

[anonymoose]

OK, so they are equivalent. But I wish dictionaries would give more normal examples.

[creamyhorror]

Isn't this the usage "there is stuff to [verb]", e.g. zhe li you de wan, you de chi? I feel like 得 is the 'right' word to use here.

[skylee]

I am not sure I understand #2-4. For me 有得 means 可以, or 有機會/理由去做甚麼甚麼.

PS - I agree with #5.

[gato]

Here is an entry from 现代汉语规范词典 in Pleco:

有的是

yǒudeshì

强调有很多 ▷我这儿～书｜你想吃苹果?～。

有的 in this usage is a colloquial way of "going to be very much / a lot". It's probably derived from a non-Mandarin dialect. I don't think it's common in northern speech, but it is very common in Shanghainese.

这会又有的斗了 means that "there is going to a lot of fighting again this time."

[skylee]

有得 (not 的) is common in Cantonese as I know it. It does not necessarily mean "a lot", though.

[gato]

You think it means "there is stuff to [verb]" here?

[creamyhorror]

有的是

yǒudeshì

强调有很多 ▷我这儿～书｜你想吃苹果?～。

有的 in this usage is a colloquial way of "going to be very much / a lot". It's probably derived from a non-Mandarin dialect. I don't think it's common in northern speech, but it is very common in Shanghainese.

有的是[noun] is not 有得[verb], they're different phrases. As skylee said, 有得 doesn't imply "a large amount".

这回又有得斗了 = Now there's stuff to fight over

得 is appropriate because it means 可以, imo.

[gato]

I would say that 这回又有得斗了 is not equivalent to 这回又有事情要斗了.

[anonymoose]

I still don't get it. What is the difference then? How would you translate each sentence? Or, under what circumstances would it be appropriate to use either sentence?

[gato]

[i'll let it sit for a while and let others comment.]

[anonymoose]

I think I get it now. It's just as creamyhorror and skylee said in #4 and #5. As far as I can ascertain, 得 is correct, but whether or not 的 can be used in it's place, I don't know.

[Lupeianii]

得 is the correct one, not because it is kind of complement-suffix of verb, but because it means "gain" in this phrase. 有得, means have gained.

[creamyhorror]

I would say that 这回又有得斗了 is not equivalent to 这回又有事情要斗了.

Fair enough, we could leave it at 有得 = 可以 as skylee said.

Glad this has been cleared up, anonymoose.