racism towards 'overseas Chinese' - does it exist?

[free_radical]

Whilst I think that monkey_c may be generalising a wee bit, his experience is still a valid one. I grew up in Northern Ireland and on a daily basis was subjected to racist taunts and on a couple of occasions physical assaults (once at the age of 13, I was cornered by 3 skinheads and was handed the kicking of my life - I am female btw).

Just because one personally hasn't experienced or heard about racism in all it's forms doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

free_radical

[outcast]

Just because one personally hasn't experienced or heard about racism in all it's forms doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

free_radical

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. It does happen sometimes, and I'm not defending them (they should get a job handling garbage, since that is what they are). But I doubt it happens nearly as much as some people say it does. Some people like monkey_c blow things like this way out of proportion.

But the point is that when something like this is blown out of proportion, it makes ALL white people look like the enemy, not just the stupid ones that do things like that (some of us are actually more enlightened). There is an unspoken rule in this country (美国): You are only allowed to hang around with people of your own race. I've seen only a few exceptions to this.

[owen]

There is an unspoken rule in this country (美国): You are only allowed to hang around with people of your own race. I've seen only a few exceptions to this.

Could you clarify this? It sounds like you are agreeing with monkey_c's belief that racism is rampant in america.

[Song You Shen]

But the point is that when something like this is blown out of proportion, it makes ALL white people look like the enemy, not just the stupid ones that do things like that (some of us are actually more enlightened).

That is a load of garbage. It only appears that way to people that want to hate that race. I see a TON of mexican guys that are parts of gangs and a lot of other racially different cultures do absolutly horrible things to other races on purpose, but I don't see every mexican as an Enemy, or every russian as mofia man.

There is an unspoken rule in this country (美国): You are only allowed to hang around with people of your own race. I've seen only a few exceptions to this.

This is even more BS than the last statement. Try leaving the ghetto sometime, maybe you'll see the majority of America. If you move out of the cities, where people have segregated themsevles to their own cultures, you'll see that people live well together. I can't even count how many different nationality of friends I have. Try traveling a bit more before you make a responce like this agian.

Youshen

[owen]

If you move out of the cities' date=' where people have segregated themsevles to their own cultures, you'll see that people live well together.

Youshen[/quote']

except......uh........chinatown.

I can't even count how many different nationality of friends I have. Try traveling a bit more before you make a responce like this agian.

So you can't count very high and you naively think travel has vitally enlightened you. Thats funny.

[Song You Shen]

except......uh........chinatown.

So you can't count very high and you naively think travel has vitally enlightened you. Thats funny.

Excellent! Do you understand the history of "chinatowns" and other segregated sections of cities? Yes America, as a majority, used to be very race-centric in its belief in the beginning. If you go back and actually take a history class, you'll understand that America believed in Manifest Destiny. During this time America believed that they, and they alone (being of anglo-saxon decent...i.e. white) had all rights to America and it's land (hense the feeling of destiny being manifested). However, once other races, especially those of different color, started to enter the US, they were viewed as a threat. Therefore they were treated with hostility.

Although, over time America became a melting pot of cultures and races. As this has happened, not all hostility has ceased, but as a majority it has definitly gone down. Even more so, as cultures have continued to mix, the hostility that was once held towards each other has been diluted. As far as traveling goes, it does enlighten you to the world around you. When you have not traveled, to see how other people live, how other people act, etc... you do not have the right to pass judgment as a whole.

Youshen

[owen]

Excellent! Do you understand the history of "chinatowns" and other segregated sections of cities? Yes America' date=' as a majority, used to be very race-centric in its belief in the beginning. If you go back and actually take a history class, you'll understand that America believed in Manifest Destiny. During this time America believed that they, and they alone (being of anglo-saxon decent...i.e. white) had all rights to America and it's land (hense the feeling of destiny being manifested).

Youshen[/quote']

I am aware of the history of chinatowns and the long since past discriminatory land laws. But now, in the present, when those are no longer an issue one can still routinely see chinese descendants congregating in benevolent societies, areas of town, tennis tournaments or, most offensively IMO, in university clubs, to the exclusion of other races. I cannot count on two hands the number of friends I've had who were forced to clandestinely date a chinese girl based on her parents most inevitable objections. I also have spoken to many Canadian born chinese who go to China and are extremely puzzled at the different treatment they recieve. Not necessarily bad but sort of a 'you look like one of us but you're not one of us' reaction. Make no mistake, exclusion of outsiders is a very palpable facet of nearly all asian cultures, Japan perhaps being the most extreme. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of redeeming features that make me very interested in chinese culture, but I just don't think it's very reasonable to deny that dimension exists.

As far as traveling goes, it does enlighten you to the world around you. When you have not traveled, to see how other people live, how other people act, etc... you do not have the right to pass judgment as a whole.

I disagree. Though i believe travel has the potential, i think there are so many things that are just as enlightening as travel. And one can travel to no effect as well. There's nothing quite as ridiculous as seeing people checking off countries they've 'travelled' like so many 'dragons' they've slain in a role playing game.

[outcast]

This is even more BS than the last statement. Try leaving the ghetto sometime, maybe you'll see the majority of America.

I don't live in "the ghetto". I never have. No, instead it is what I have seen every single day I went to school. Even when I went to my now former university.