how to get new work permit without failing residential permit

[teacherkumar]

Hi

 

Friends, I am a english teacher in dalian school from last two years with valid work permit and residential permit as well. Just few days before i leave the job because of some unacceptable circumstances. and now school already cancelled my work permit but dont want to give me release letter or treatening me if i want release letter need them together go to cancel my residential permit also.

 

But i dont want to cancel residential. problem is i find another school and they are trying to get my working permit ready as soon as possible but just few hours before i come to know the government official said that the working permit need almost 3 months to complete from now on. but i have my family some dependents i need to fastly start my work. but i still want to work legally not unlegal. 

 

Now if anybody have good ideas or information to short out this problem to getting my work permit ready within a time frame.  i have my residential permit valid till july 2015.

 

awaiting all resposes from online friends..........

 

 

[liuzhou]

You are an English teacher?

[Shelley]

I think I might know why.        

 

"leave the job because of some unacceptable circumstances"

[Matty]

Please, please, please just don't be an English teacher.

It's nothing personal against you, however your English level is not good enough. I've met Chinese students with better written English than yours. Where are you from?

I really feel sorry for the students.

[teacherkumar]

dear friends

 

i know somewhere in writing i had mistake but believe me i need help? this time i am in big trouble so mind is not stable. hope you all can understand

[ChTTay]

Tough crowd.

 

Best bet would be to negotiate with your current employer.

[roddy]

I think the school you want to go to hasn't employed foreigners before. That's why it takes them so long. If you can find a school which already employs foreigners the process might be quicker. 

[Matty]

dear friends

i know somewhere in writing i had mistake but believe me i need help? this time i am in big trouble so mind is not stable. hope you all can understand

 

Not just a mistake, but many many mistakes. I'm also unsure how "but believe me i need help" is a question. Whose mind is unstable? Perhaps it should have been "my mind"

 

I'm not an English teacher, my English is far from perfect, however I decided to help you modify your post a little so that it will seem semi-literate. I did not bother with punctuation and capitals. I didn't by any means make it perfect, just a little less wrong.

 

I'd also avoid using "but" too much, sometimes you can switch it for "however", other times you can leave it out altogether.

 

Hi

Friends, I am an english teacher who has been working in a dalian school for the last two years with a valid work permit and residential permit as well. Just a few days ago i left the job because of some unacceptable circumstances. and now the school has already cancelled my work permit but dont want to give me a release letter or and are threatening me that if i want a release letter I need to go with them together go to cancel my residential permit also first.

But i dont want to cancel residential permit. The problem is i found another school and they are trying to get my working permit ready as soon as possible but just a few hours ago i discovered/found out the government official said that the working permit needs almost 3 months to complete from now on. but i have my family here some of who are dependants, i need to fastly start my work fast. but i still want to work legally not unlegal illegally.

Now if anybody have has any good ideas or information to short out this problem to getting my work permit ready within a reasonable time frame. i have my residential permit valid till july 2015.

awaiting all responses from online friends..........

 

I don't usually like to complain, but I believe educators should be held to at least some standards. If you weren't an English teacher I wouldn't even have mentioned it.

[Sydney Matt]

"fount out" … should be "found out"

Be careful when you're correcting that you don't introduce new errors. Nothing personal, just think this is an important point to keep in mind.

[Matty]

Thanks for that Sydney Matt, I appreciate it, fixed up my typo too!

 

No problems, I didn't take it personally at all.

 

@ teacherkumar

 

Have you considered getting into another field? Or perhaps teaching your native language? What is it?

 

You could also consider starting your own business, then you wont need to rely on anyone else for your visas or residence permits and there are less academic requirements.

[Basil]

高不成低不就 

 

I imagine there's not much demand for his native language...

[Shelley]

Do we know what hers/his native language is, are we assuming or do we know hes a he?

 

I don't understand how s/he became an English teacher in the first place? Any ideas?

[roddy]

Also, let's talk about him / her as if he /her isn't reading this...

 

Yes, English teachers should have good English. But I'd say that's China's responsibility to police. If teaching English in China was several times more lucrative than your other options and you had family to support - wouldn't you? I would. What do you think is going to happen if he quits? A fully-qualified native speaker is going to magically appear and take the job at the same wage? 

[Lu]

While we're off-topic anyway... No, the quality of English teachers is not solely up to the Chinese government or the schools. Anyone who takes a job (especially jobs with responsibility over other people, which includes teaching) needs to check (to the best of their abilities) whether they have what it takes to do that job reasonably well. It's a matter of ethics to not sell something that you know is of bad quality.

If no qualified native speaker shows up to teach English instead of the OP, then the children will likely be taught by a Chinese teacher. It's not at all impossible that that Chinese teacher has better English than the OP, or better Chinese so as to explain things to the students in their own language. If a qualified native speaker shows up, s/he likely will cost more and the school will learn that qualified English teachers come at a price and that you get what you pay for.

I don't mean to insult the OP, I don't know him/her and I sympathise with their predicament. I understand that the OP has a family to feed and I understand their choice. But at the same time I agree that the OP shouldn't be an English teacher. Even then, I hope they can work out the current problem. Unfortunately I don't have any ideas as to how.

[daofeishi]

 

Anyone who takes a job (especially jobs with responsibility over other people, which includes teaching) needs to check (to the best of their abilities) whether they have what it takes to do that job reasonably well. It's a matter of ethics to not sell something that you know is of bad quality.

 

Tell me any other profession on earth where that is expected of someone. When was the last time you refused to turn in a resume or job application because you were incompetent, not under-qualified or a bad match, but just plain bad at what you're doing? If you really were incompetent but received a job offer for a position you wanted, would you decline the offer?

 

When was the last time you held a sub-par medical student responsible, and not the hospital, when the student had a less-than-mediocre performance in their residency program. Or the last time you expected the mechanics at a car repair shop to be self-vetted, and you kept the staff personally responsible if they fucked up your car? There is a reason why companies are expected to have hiring standards and a training process. It's to ensure that  (1) they themselves know what proficiency level is expected of a candidate and (2) to cull out those who under-perform. That is not to say that the candidate himself or herself is not responsible for mistakes and mishaps, but that the onus of having standards and enforcing them is on the employer and not the employee. 

 

When it comes to teaching specifically, absolute mastery of the subject is often not necessary or possible. I have a master's in mathematics from a well respected institution of higher learning. If you rounded up all the math teachers in the country and compared them to someone with my background, you'd probably find that many of them would seem like absolute amateurs. But I would never expect a primary school teacher to know how to construct the real numbers from first principles based on Zermelo-Fraenkel Set Theory or explain the topological significance of etale spaces. Their hands-on and imperfect knowledge of arithmetic is usually enough to get the children up to speed on what they need to know. Most schools obviously understand that, and although a candidate with my background might be preferable, they know that it is far from needed and that they are probably better off hiring people from a bigger pool of candidates at just the level they need. 

 

It's bizarre how many people seem absolutely flabbergasted when they see an English teacher who speaks imperfect English, when that is the norm at most stages of education in the rest of the world. My own 7th grade English teacher had obvious problems with the phonology, sometimes mixed up the present and present continuous tenses, and gave me corrections such as "the phrase 'might come in handy' is ungrammatical. Use 'might be useful'". Be that as it may, she was a patient and persevering teacher who helped a lot of us to become better readers and speakers of English, because while she might not have been as competent as a native speaker, she was a better English speaker than we were at the time. And I'm sure that if I'd looked into the English levels of our 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade teachers, there would have been much more to complain about if I wanted to get up on a high horse. 

 

I am not saying standards are not needed, but it is not up to the individual employees to enforce them. If anyone else is willing to hire you at your current level, most people would take that as a sign they are deemed good enough for the job. If they are not, it is the employer or another governing body that has to make that judgment. 

[Lu]

Tell me any other profession on earth where that is expected of someone.

Farming, for example. Apparently, there are plenty of Chinese farmers who wouldn't want to eat their own produce because they know what they did with it. I find that morally wrong (on a much higher level than teaching English when your English is not so good). Yes the government should have rules, yes the supermarkets should check, but if you yourself know your product is not good, you shouldn't be selling it.

Your math teacher example is exaggerated. Of course primary school teachers don't need a PhD in mathematics, and nobody is claiming they do. I also wasn't saying teachers need 'absolute mastery' of their subject. Virtually nobody has that and teachers don't need it. But there is quite a lot of room between absolute mastery of English and bad English, and one should have reasonably good English before teaching it.

 

When was the last time you refused to turn in a resume or job application because you were incompetent, not under-qualified or a bad match, but just plain bad at what you're doing?

I wouldn't apply for a job I would be bad at, unless the company was aware of it and offered training. If someone wants to hire me for something I know I'm unqualified for - translation to Chinese for example - I tell them I'm not the one they need and recommend someone else who can do it. My choices might be different if I were broke or if I had a family depending on me, of course, but that goes for all kinds of principles.

[Guangxi Shane]

When I first read the OP's question, I have to admit I had the same reaction as @liuzhou and others, questioning his/her qualifications to be an English teacher. However, @daofeishi makes some pretty convincing arguments in favor of tolerance. I have known some non-native speakers of English, who had pretty marginal spoken/written English skills, but who had great rapport with their students and therefore were effective teachers. None of us knows what the OP is teaching. It might be, "Hi, my name is Teacher Kumar," and, "this is a pencil." In which case, the OP's English may be more than sufficient for the job. All of us can benefit from nurturing a sense of humility in ourselves...

 

BTW, @daofeishi, if English is really not your native language, your written English is amazing! Kudos to you! My brother is currently studying at the University of Trondheim trying to get a certificate to become a public school teacher in Norway. Since Norwegian is not his native language and all of the instruction is in Norwegian, I'm pretty sure the workload is kicking his ass right now. Although he has an M.A. in Anthropology from a U.S. university, trying to teach H.S. social studies to Norwegian kids in Norwegian is not easy for a non-native speaker. Is he qualified to be a student teacher of social studies in Norwegian right now? Probably not. But hopefully with some more training and practice he can become a qualified, successful teacher. I hope my brother's Norwegian students will be as understanding of his language deficiencies as you were of your teachers' mistakes. 

[anonymoose]

@daofeishi makes some pretty convincing arguments in favor of tolerance

 

 

As far as I can see, the only thing daofeishi is advocating tolerance for is bad ethics and morals.

 

He makes the assumption, perhaps based on his own moral standards, that anyone else in a position to gain personally from knowingly selling substandard products or services would do so without reservation.

 

I can only speak for myself, but I would definitely think twice about accepting a job for which I knew I were incompetent. As Lu said, maybe circumstances such as having a dependent family may sway my decision, but applying for or taking on such a job would be a last resort rather than a first resort for making a quick buck.

 

We don't know about teacherkumar's personal situation, but I think the reaction he received is perfectly understandable when he comes on to a public forum using atrocious English to solicit advice to help him be an English teacher.