is Tionghoa only refer to Chinese Indonesian?

[tionghoa]

hi... 

i am Andre.

newbie in this forum

from indonesia

sorry, my english is very poor

ethnically , my mother is a jawa and my father is a tionghoa

 

i want to ask to a tionghoa (chinese indonesian)

but if you are not tionghoa, you can give opinion in my questions

 

chinese indonesian commonly known as Tionghoa.

tionghoa means chinese

but, do you think Tionghoa only refer to Chinese Indonesian?

and do you think, if they are non-Chinese Indonesian, they are not Tionghoa? 

[陳德聰]

orang tionghoa is just what Indonesian people call "Chinese people", and if I recall this is what I have heard Indonesian people calling Chinese people outside of Indonesia too.

[Binerco]

I think you opinion is true, beacuse from my point of view that Indonesia still a little bit rasiscm with that kind of region.. Chinese, Indonesian, Western, and many other..

So, I mean that "orang tionghua" is only use in Indonesia.因为我也是在住印尼。。呵呵

[krystals]

hi! im rewrite the post with english

 

so basically zhong guo is tiongkok and used to describe tiongkok/china teritorry/land while tionghoa is used to call china/tiongkok citizens.

it's like great britain and british, or filipina and filipinos. so tionghoa is not limited to chinese-indonesian.

 

hope this helps you a little.

Source: retnodamayanthi.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/di-balik-kata-cina/ kalau mau baca lebih jelas.

[imron]

Just a friendly reminder to try and keep the bulk of discussion in English to keep the discussion open to everyone.

[Kobo-Daishi]

I really don't get this.

 

Tiong-hôa or 中華(中华) means 'China', and refers to China or anything related to China and the Chinese.

 

So, how can a non-Chinese be tiong-hôa? Makes no sense.

 

For questions relating to Hokkien/Minnan, you might try the Hokkien (Minnan) forums at chinalanguage.com. They've a quite lively community for those interested in Minnan there. Quite a few knowledgeable Hokkien speakers from Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, the Philippines and Taiwan there.

 

http://www.chinalanguage.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=647c671dbd24c50c010b28bb9747d052

 

Or you could also try the Forumosa Chinese language forum as well. A few posters who know quite a bit of Minnan there as well.

 

Kobo.

[tionghoa]

ha ha ha ha ha ......

 

sorry i write in wrong board

 

from all of your replies. i want to say :

 

tionghoa means CHINESE INDONESIAN.

 

so, there are no tionghoa people outside indonesia, except indonesian expatriate (ethnic tionghoa) ha ha ha ha

[Lu]

I don't know the specific cirsumstances, but I'd guess that:

- many ethnic Chinese in Indonesia speak Minnanese (Hokkien)

- Tionghoa is the Minnan word for 中华 -> China

- Ethnic Chinese in Indonesia call themselves 'Tionghoa-lang', and everyone else starts calling them 'orang Tionghoa' as well.

But Tionghoa is not an Indonesian word, and if it's only used for Indonesian Chinese, that's just a matter of custom, not something inherent about the word.

[tionghoa]

@all

you can see in this web

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tionghoa

CHINESE INDONESIAN or TIONGHOA