Pedroski Posted October 24, 2014 at 12:33 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 at 12:33 PM 1. 小张,昨天晚上辛苦了,开夜车开到几点啊? 事情太多了,都到三点了。 What is 都 here? He could say '开到三点' ??? 2. 这款产品您用得怎么样,还满意吗? 您用得怎么样 = how do you like ?? What is 还 here? I think the customer has not bought / used the product yet., but I don't have any more context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
歐博思 Posted October 24, 2014 at 03:22 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 at 03:22 PM 1) 事情太多了, 都(so many 事情 even to be busy)until 3 am it looks like now. Keyword: even 2) Sounds like a customer is trying some product, and the clerk is encouraging a sale. "What do you think about the product? Not too shabby eh?" with 还 downplaying everything to not sound too boastful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted October 24, 2014 at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 at 06:21 PM 都 used with time means gives off a feeling of later than expected or later than normal. I think this is an extension of the general use for emphasis that presents something as being a lot or being more than normal. 都三点了 It's already 3 o'clock (and this is considered "late" rather than "early"). 都(开)到三点了 (He drove) all the way until 3 o'clock (and this is considered a lot). -- Pretty much agree with 欧博思 on the 2nd one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedroski Posted October 24, 2014 at 11:07 PM Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 at 11:07 PM Thanks. So this 都 is a kind of biblical 'even unto 3am'. 2. You are saying '这款产品您用得怎么样,满意吗?' would be too brusque for Chinese ears? I see a possible translation for 还 is 'fairly', which fits in with what you are saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted October 25, 2014 at 09:44 AM Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 at 09:44 AM I don't think 都 has the "even" meaning here. 还可以 还好 还行 The 还 here is somewhat humbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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