metlx Posted November 21, 2015 at 06:23 PM Report Posted November 21, 2015 at 06:23 PM I've come across this sentence yesterday and I'm puzzled about it: "这电影这么无聊,我看得睡着了。" This movie is so boring that I fell asleep while watching it. 看得睡着了 verb + 得 + adjective (stative verb?) is the usual grammar pattern to my understanding (I'm omitting the subject and object), e.g.: 懂的很好; 唱得不错; 穿很时髦。 But in the former case (看得睡着了) verb +得 is followed by another verb action. This pattern is new to me and I'm wondering whether it is correct. I did a bit of searching and found no grammar reference to "verb + 得 + verb" pattern. Can anyone help me understand this? The sentence is quite straightforward and thus easy to understand, but I'd like to make sure it's correct before I go on about using this pattern. Quote
edelweis Posted November 21, 2015 at 07:07 PM Report Posted November 21, 2015 at 07:07 PM At first I thought it was a potential complement but the 了 and an internet search for possible contexts convinced me otherwise. Now I think it's a complement of degree with V+得+clause, as seen in paragraph A7 here: http://comet.cls.yale.edu/mandarin/content/degree/grammar/Degree-2.htm 1 Quote
metlx Posted November 21, 2015 at 08:10 PM Author Report Posted November 21, 2015 at 08:10 PM (edited) @edelweis thanks man, I didn't know 得 encompasses such a wide spectre of grammar. Very useful link! EDIT: it also answered my question, so thanks again Edited November 21, 2015 at 08:11 PM by metlx Quote
Messidor Posted November 22, 2015 at 04:43 AM Report Posted November 22, 2015 at 04:43 AM 这电影这么无聊,我看得睡着了。-得睡着了 is a state complement, which can be either a word or a phrase. You can also say 这么无聊的电影我看得(都)睡着了;我看这么无聊的电影都看(得)睡着了. ps: 懂得很好 sounds weird. Native speakers usually say 懂了一些 / 懂了一半 / 理解得很好。Is 穿很时髦 a typo ? 2 Quote
metlx Posted November 22, 2015 at 04:46 AM Author Report Posted November 22, 2015 at 04:46 AM @Messidor, thank you for your explanation. Insightful, as always. Yeah, it was a typo, I don't know what I was thinking hehe Quote
alfonsoll Posted December 14, 2015 at 06:11 PM Report Posted December 14, 2015 at 06:11 PM It sounds unnatural to me.We usually say "我看到睡着了". "到" here means " to the extent of". 1 Quote
lips Posted December 15, 2015 at 01:42 AM Report Posted December 15, 2015 at 01:42 AM As in many cases, 看到睡着了 and 看得睡着了 mean the same thing in this context, i.e. the movie was so meaningless that it made me fall asleep while watching it. The 了 at the end means I *did* fall asleep. However, if you want to emphasize the extent or progress, as in "I watched it until I fell asleep, then I didn't watch it", then you must use 看到: 我看到睡著了就没看. Of course 看到 and 看得 have other meanings as well. As alfonsoll says, in Cantonese you must say 看到 in this context. 看得 in this context is wrong. BTW 得 in front of a verb means "need to" or "must": 得看. The pronunciation also channges to dei (3). However Cantonese does not have this construction. 1 Quote
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