New Members Tyrone Posted June 28, 2016 at 07:48 PM New Members Report Posted June 28, 2016 at 07:48 PM I have been trying to learn to read Chinese and things have been progressing smoothly until i ran into this sentence 我们仔细地找啊. My question in particular is with the characters 仔 and 地. I noticed that both these characters have multiple pinyin. I asked my mom, who is fluent in Chinese, and she said that in this context, 仔 should be pronounce zi rather than zai. If that is so, why not just use 子 instead of 仔? Same question with 地 instead of 的. Also how are am i suppose to know which pinyin to use? Will i just have to memorize the context it is used in? Quote
imron Posted June 29, 2016 at 02:27 AM Report Posted June 29, 2016 at 02:27 AM Focus on words rather than characters. 仔细 is a word so there is no ambiguity in the pronunciation. Single character words such as 地 are a bit more tricky, but usually there is a clear way to know which to use. 地 and 的 have different grammatical functions and the correct one to use here is 地 (check out the AllSet grammar wiki for a more thorough explanation), however many native speakers will use 的 here anyway (similar to English speakers using "your" instead of "you're", or "there" instead of "their"). 1 Quote
889 Posted June 29, 2016 at 04:03 AM Report Posted June 29, 2016 at 04:03 AM http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4b977eb30102eb99.html Quote
lips Posted June 29, 2016 at 05:13 AM Report Posted June 29, 2016 at 05:13 AM similar to English speakers using "your" instead of "you're", or "there" instead of "their" :O Quote
New Members Tyrone Posted June 29, 2016 at 07:48 PM Author New Members Report Posted June 29, 2016 at 07:48 PM Dang that made a lot of sense especially the their and there example. Thank you very much. Quote
imron Posted June 30, 2016 at 01:35 AM Report Posted June 30, 2016 at 01:35 AM You're welcome. Note as well, that you can almost always know the correct pronunciation of single character words based on the grammatical function. In the example above, 地 will always be de when used in an adverbial phrase and dì when used as a noun (referring to the ground or a place). If it seems a bit strange or too much hassle, realise that English also does a similar thing. Compare for example: 1) I gave him a birthday present. 2) Tomorrow I'm going to present the findings of my investigation. In sentence 1 'present' is a noun and is pronounced differently from the 'present' in sentence 2 which is a verb (PREsent vs presENT). There are many other words that do this in English, and it's not strange that Chinese characters can also differ in pronunciation depending on grammatical function. Quote
Mati1 Posted August 12, 2016 at 07:01 PM Report Posted August 12, 2016 at 07:01 PM Interested learners should take a closer look at this wonderful little book: "Chinese Multi-Reading Characters Without Tears" (“汉语多音字学习手册”), ISBN: 7301057458 The book is about the 207 most common / useful 多音字 and helps the student by explaining the correct usage for each pronounciation (not like a textbook, more like a dictionary). In addition it lists example words, many of those are used in an example sentence each. Usage, words and example sentences are given with an English translation next to it / below it. There is even a short exercise for each character (answer key in the book.) and for some characters a short bonus reading is included after the exercise (no translation). I did not use this book much yet because I feel that I should learn more characters and words first, so that I can actually understand more of the book. Anyhow this book looks very promising to me; it can be used to learn the most important characters with multiple pronounciations systematically, or as a reference handbook. Quote
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