Zbigniew Posted July 31, 2017 at 12:35 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 12:35 PM Yes, your logic is lost on me, I'm afraid, Aceofface. If "experts all disagree" how do you expect to be able to clarify your doubts by posting pictures on a Chinese language forum for people who do not pretend to be experts in antiques to appraise? Ultimately, it doesn't sound like an objective inquiry into what it is that you have is what's motivating you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted July 31, 2017 at 12:43 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 12:43 PM If it was worth anything why would someone give it away? The owner should know the value. They didn't think it was worth selling so they gave it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:30 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:30 PM 1 hour ago, Shelley said: If it was worth anything why would someone give it away? The owner should know the value. They didn't think it was worth selling so they gave it away. Well, that's not necessarily always true. Every once in a while there is a story of someone finding the unknown work of a famous master at a flea market, or some such place. Not saying that happened here, though. The most likely story to me is that the previous owner was well aware that it was a fake, and thus they or their heirs didn't make an effort to try and sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:32 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:32 PM Yes its true it happens once in a blue moon, but as you say probably not true in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:43 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:43 PM These things are surprisingly cheap. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:47 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 02:47 PM 3 minutes ago, roddy said: Am I missing something? Someone hoping to strike it lucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:11 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:11 PM All good points guys. Here's a pic of the bottom of the scroll. I welcome anyone to post good pictures of his work here. Maybe we can move the running conversation of this thread more over to a comparison of his Chinese writing with what is known and already authenticated as his. Get to the real meat here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:18 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:18 PM I think you've mistaken a bunch of students of Chinese for forensic graphologists. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:23 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:23 PM Ha. Roddy, this is called "cross training"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:24 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:24 PM Like I said, to me as an untrained eye the writing looks completely different from his writing. The most obvious things being the hooks on the 別, 有, and 間; the signature being completely different as pointed out earlier; and also the janky seal that looks like a blind person carved it with their teeth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:26 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:26 PM Now that's good, but your missing the picture of what you are comparing it to. Post the picture please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:28 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:28 PM 41 minutes ago, roddy said: Am I missing something? It seems someone is under the mistaken assumptions that if it looks old, it is old, and if it is old, it's worth a lot of money. And possibly also the assumption that if the thing is discussed online, someone will take the bait and buy it for a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:37 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:37 PM Lu. My attitude is that "the glass is half full" That's the way I go thru life. This is what it is. Talk is cheap. It's the real effort put into this that will get to the end of it. And in the meantime, I'll be most interested in facts, not opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:39 PM Every single seal of his has said 孫文之印. Your scroll looks like typeface. Not his style. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:41 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:41 PM 2 minutes ago, Aceofface said: I'll be most interested in facts In that case, your best course of action is to have it appraised by an expert. Let us know what that expert finds, it'd be interesting if the calligraphy is actually by Sun Yat-sen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:43 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:43 PM 4 minutes ago, Aceofface said: It's the real effort put into this that will get to the end of it Did you have anyone in mind for the provision of the effort? This is getting daft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:52 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 03:52 PM What does this say? 孫文之印 Yes, my seal is different and what does my seal say? Aside from that, I was hoping to compare the actual characters. In any of your examples, are there any characters that are the same as the one's in mine that we can compare to? Lu. Experts all disagree! Roddy. Ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:01 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:01 PM If you really think the glass is half full, bite the bullet, Pay the money, Put in the effort, Take it to an expert. If it proves to be of value then you can come back and shake your finger at us and tell us "I told you so" There is no need to get annoyed just because you are not getting the answers you want. They are only trying their best to help you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceofface Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:15 PM Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:15 PM Experts all disagree Shelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:20 PM Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 at 04:20 PM I bet there'd be a certain degree of unanimity on this one... It's like claiming you've found a copy of the US Declaration of Independence and it's dedicated to His Royal Highness George III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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