Not so old scroll.

[Aceofface]

Well, back again with another one.   Looking into this one and it is actually a "book" and this was on the cover.  Will be arriving in a few days and will post more pictures.  Also, could be from the same source that the Sun Yat-sen scroll came from.  Looks like its a long and thin landscape of China old civilization and with lots of narrative written.   What does it say?  Thanks.

[陳德聰]

清明上河圖

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Along_the_River_During_the_Qingming_Festival

[Aceofface]

Thanks.   I'll have to read up on this.  Wish I had studied Chinese.  From my viewpoint, seems impossible to learn.  So unlike English.  Besides, I'm 62 years old.  Ha.

[Lu]

It is very much unlike English, but not impossible to learn, even when you're 62. But it's also perfectly fine to just appreciate the pretty pictures (and post them here).

[lips]

I may be sticking my neck out here, but the chance of this one being the genuine original 清明上河图 is probably on the low side.

[roddy]

I'd imagine an old enough reproduction could still be worth a pretty penny. But yes, the original is probably safe on the wall of a senior official's smoking and darts room.*

 

* May not be true.

 

Also: "Also, could be from the same source that the Sun Yat-sen scroll came from." - Yeah, jury's still out on that one, as I recall...

[Lu]

3 hours ago, lips said:

the chance of this one being the genuine original 清明上河图 is probably on the low side.

There are many versions, and quite a number of them you can see in the Palace Museum. As with many things, it's not the originality of the design but the execution that makes them valuable.

 

Of course, there are also plenty of modern copies that are beautiful but not worth a lot of money.

[Aceofface]

Lu.  Thanks for the encouragement.  Yes, I will stick with the pictures for now. 

 

lips.....  Correct.  Found an exact copy on eBay.usa for $16.95 and it included free shipping from China.

 

Roddy......  My Sen scroll  could be the real deal.   There's so much skill in it.  Authentication will take time.  

 

Lu.....  the execution.   Like brushstroke?  Overall design and concept?

 

 

[Aceofface]

Business idea??  The Sen scroll is about 15 x 60 inches.  I could make copies of it.  They would look old and that is good.  Do you think the Chinese art market would have an interest in something like that?  I have a big printer that I use for my own art reproductions, so I could easily do this.  Market on Alibaba.  Could be fun.  I paint western contemporary of mainly figurative and desert landscape.

[Lu]

On 29-7-2017 at 4:36 AM, Aceofface said:

Do you think the Chinese art market would have an interest in something like that?

I think the Chinese art market is already well-provided with calligraphy old, new, and old-looking new. I don't think this will be a viable business. It might be more viable to sell it in the West, where there is much less supply of Chinese art.

 

Also note that Sun Yat-sen's family name (surname) was Sun, his given name was Yat-sen (and a whole bunch of other names, but this one is enough for now). Chinese names are usually written with the surname first, so president Xi Jinping is Mr Xi. It makes more sense to call the scroll with Mr Sun's name on it 'the Sun scroll'.

[Aceofface]

Hi Lu.  No doubt that I am a real nubie here on this Chinese forum. Thank you for my first Chinese lesson.  Very kind of you. 

 

Yes, after doing a little research, don't think it would be worth my time to try to compete in the Chinese calligraphy market.  Even if I could market it at a Sun calligraphy print, which it is doubtful really how much demand there would be for it, don't see much profit for all the risk and work.  

 

But then, this is kinda what I was thinking about for it:

http://chineseart.co.uk/tag/liu-yiqian/

 

I will post another picture or two in my other posting soon, better pictures, that show the aging on the scroll.  I guess, even so, that there were counterfeiters even when he was alive, copying his work.  Again, I think the key is in the reading of his "signature" strokes, brushwork style, that can be compared to his authentic work.  Do you know of anyone that can write exactly like you?  Doubt it.

 

 

[lips]

7 hours ago, Aceofface said:

I think the key is in the reading of his "signature" strokes, brushwork style, that can be compared to his authentic work

Read a couple of the earlier posts.

Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.  Please ignore.

Edited July 31, 2017 at 03:33 AM by lips

[Aceofface]

I've read them all lips.  What specifically?

[lips]

Sorry, wrong thread.  Post edited.