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Ｉ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｂｅ　ｂｒａｖｅ　ａｎｄ　ｍａｋｅ　ａｎ　ａｔｔｅｍｐｔ　ｔｏ　ｈｅｌｐ　ｙｏｕ．Ｉ　ｄｏ　ｎｏｔ　

ｋｎｏｗ　ｉｆ　ｉｔ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｃｏｎｆｕｓｅ　ｙｏｕ，　ｓｏ　ｐｌｅａｓｅ　ｉｇｎｏｒｅ　ｉｔ　ｉｆ　

ｉｔ　ｉｓ　ｎｏｔ　ｃｏｒｒｅｃｔ　ｏｎ　ｔｈｅ　ｐｏｉｎｔ　ｙｏｕ　ｒａｉｓｅｄ．

 

I have consulted my Grammer source and the only area that raises the point 　ｉｓ　iｎ　Ｖｅｒｂ　Ｐｈｒａｓｅｓ as follows:

 

1. Ｗｉｔｈｏｕｔ　ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ　ａｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｈｉ．．．ｄｅ　ｃｏｎｓｔｒｕｃｔｉｏｎ，　the 的 at the end of the sentence  ｍａｙ　ｂｅ　used as a part of the Verb Phrase (VP) with an absolute adjective　ｗｈｉｃｈ　

ｃｏｎｔａｉｎｓ　ａ　ｃｏｐｕｌａ　ｓｅｎｔｅｎｃｅ　是 .  Those absolute adjectives cannot occur as the sole element of a VP　ｍａｙ　ｂｅ　ｎｏｍｉｎａｌｉｚｅｄ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｔｈｅ　ｐａｒｔｉｃｌｅ　ｄｅ　ｔｏ　ｏｃｃｕｒ　ｉｎ　ｔｈｅ　ＶＰ　ｏｆ　ａ　ｃｏｐｕｌａ　ｓｅｎｔｅｎｃｅ．

 

Ｔｈｉｓ　ｉｓ　ｐａｒｔ　ｏｆ　Ｉｎｔｒａｎｓｉｔｉｖｅ　Ｖｅｒｂ　Ｐｈｒａｓｅｓ．　Ｉ　ｗｉｌｌ　ｑｕｏｔｅ　

ｍｙ　ｇｒａｍｍｅｒ　ｓｏｕｒｃｅ：　Ｍａｎｄａｒｉｎ　Ｃｈｉｎｅｓｅ：　Ａ　Ｆｕｎｃｔｉｏｎａｌ　Ｒｅｆｅｒｅｎｃｅ　Ｇｒａｍｍｅｒ　ｂｙ　Ｃｈａｒｌｅｓ　Ｌｉ　ａｎｄ　Ｓａｎｄｒａ　Ｔｈｏｍｐｓｏｎ　（１９８１）

ＵＣ，　Ｂｅｒｋｅｒｌｅｙ　Ｐｒｅｓｓ．　Ｃｈａｐｔｅｒ　４　ｐａｇｅｓ　１４１－１４６．

 

 

 

Ｔｈｉｓ　ｉｓ　ｔｈｅ　ｃｌｏｓｅｓｔ　ｐａｒｔ　Ｉ　ｗａｓ　ａｂｌｅ　ｔｏ　ｆｉｎｄ．　

 

２．　Ｗｈｅｒｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｄｅ　ｉｓ　ｐａｒｔ　ｏｆ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｈｉ．．．ｄｅ　ｃｏｎｓｔｒｃｕｔｉｏｎ　Ｐａｒｔ　２０．３　ｏｆ　Ｃｈａｐｔｅｒ　２０　ａｐｐｌｉｅｓ．　Ｉｔ　ｃｏｎｆｉｒｍｓ　ｔｈａｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｈｉ　ｍａｙ

　ｂｅ　ｏｍｉｔｔｅｄ　ａｎｄ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｒｅｔａｉｎ　ｔｈｅ　ｓｈｉ．．．ｄｅ　ｃｏｎｓｔｒｕｃｔｉｏｎ．

　

Ｉ　ｄｏ　ｈｏｐｅ　ｔｈａｔ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｃａｎ　ｈｅｌｐ　ｙｏｕ　ｒｅａｃｈ　ｔｈｅ　ｃｏｒｒｅｃｔ

　ｃｏｎｃｌｕｓｉｏｎ　ｔｏ　ｙｏｕｒ　ｑｕｅｓｔｉｏｎ．

 

Ｉｆ　Ｉ　ｈａｖｅ　ｓｔｒａｙｅｄ　ｆｒｏｍ　ｔｈｅ　ｐｏｉｎｔ，　ｐｌｅａｓｅ　ｓｏｍｅｏｎｅ　ｗｉｔｈ　

ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ｇｒａｍｍｅｒ　ｓｋｉｌｌｓ　ｈｅｌｐ．　　

[Lu]

@gwr71, if you were wondering about the ｏｄｄ　ｓｐａｃｉｎｇ: this is full-space typing. On the language bar, you can see a small full moon/half moon shape for full shape/half shape. Change this back to 'half shape' when typing English and your spacing will be normal again. This is changed with shift+space, so sometimes it happens accidentally. I hope this is useful.

[somethingfunny]

I'll be honest, the formatting in the post above hurts my eyes so I didn't read it.

 

I'm not going to give you a technical grammatical explanation, but something a little more intuitive.

 

（学校的宿舍）是一层楼的

（学校的宿舍）（是）有合用厕所的

（我们）（是）常在一起的

 

For each of these cases, the 是 。。。的 construction wraps around an adjective to provide more information about the subject - in each case the bit in brackets at the start.

 

So, imagine the following dialogue (with a use of 的 I hope you are comfortable with):

 

A: 哪个车是你的？

B: 红色的。

 

Now, let's imagine a slightly different dialogue, but using your sentences:

 

A: 你们学校宿舍怎么样？

B: 我们学校宿舍是一层楼的。

 

I think your confusion is arising in: 我们常在一起的事/情况.  Here, the 的 changes from indicating an adjective (possessing a quality), to be being fully possessive.  Consider:

 

我的车是红色的

 

The first 的 shows the car belongs to me, while the second one indicates its colour.

 

Man, this post isn't clear at all, so sorry if it's made you even more confused.  Just to be clear:

 

我们常在一起的: We are (of the case) of having been together for a long time.

 我们常在一起的事: The issue of us having been together for a long time.

[gwr71]

Dear Lu,

The problem is that I used the chinese pr font to write the characters and didn't  revert to standard english. It was a mistake which I will not repeat in the future

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[gwr71]

i am experimenting with writing chinese characters. I was encouraged by an Administrator in this forum to do writing. I messed up.