Wippen (inactive) Posted February 25, 2018 at 08:34 PM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 08:34 PM A heated argument broke out between two people in a lift about smoking in a confined space. This happened to precede the heart attack of one of the people involved in the argument. A man had challenged an elderly man smoking in the lift pointing towards the consideration of other people's health. They got into a heated argument. Then after the one man left, the older person subsequently died of a heart attack. The man, who had been involved in the argument, returned when he saw the ambulance close to the place where they had been arguing. It turned out he was doctor. He did not know this emergency involved the man he had just had an argument with. The man gave his details. After this, the older man's family decided to sue the man as they felt he had contributed to the heart attack. The courts agreed that there was some responsibility on his part and then ordered him to pay 15,000 renminbi. The family had sought a much higher compensation namely 400,000 renminbi. They then appealed. The end result was the courts decided the man did not have to pay anything. He made a donation of 10,000 renminbi to the family. Link to article. The article is suitable for intermediate level. Vocabulary 猝死 sudden death (for example cardiac arrest or infant cot death) 驳回 dismiss (as in lawsuit) 诉讼(+ 请求) lawsuit, claim, 一审 - first trial 纠正 correct, straighten out, rectify, put right, 劝阻 discourage from 发生 + 争辩 (construction) argument occurred 语言+争执 verbal spat, war of words, 提起上诉 lodge an appeal 意料之中 come as no surprise (This is a chengyu and one you see often) 私下交流 private exchange 捐赠 - donation 扯不+上关系 not at all related (fixed expression) 有所顾虑 have concerns/misgivings (not chengyu, it seems) (To me, the article is not 100 percent neutral, as it appears to say he suffered a heart attack *as a result of* the emtional distress. Can they claim that? We don't know if his time was up anyway. What do you think) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted February 25, 2018 at 09:13 PM Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 09:13 PM The inference I take from that is that in the first court decision, the court found this to be true. I think this is hinted at in the decision that Mr. Yang was involved, but that it was not an unavoidable consequence of the altercation that the older man had a heart attack and died. I think the fact that the first decision was in favour of the plaintiff is pretty absurd though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippen (inactive) Posted February 25, 2018 at 09:29 PM Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 at 09:29 PM 15 minutes ago, 陳德聰 said: was in favour of the plaintiff is pretty absurd though. Agree. In fact after the first hearing the case did not achieve much attention. It was only after the second decision in January 2018 that people really started to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messidor Posted February 27, 2018 at 05:08 AM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 05:08 AM without recordings we can never know the causality. the name of this case on social media is not neutral in the first place. 劝烟致死案?! what the… let me translate this name verbatim into English: 劝 烟 致 死 案 persuade (not to) smoke caused death case. it's somewhat hilarious when people say 劝烟致死案中杨某没有责任。( in the case "persuading not to smoke caused death" the persuader is innocent) btw, "baijiahao" is one of the most disgusting productofs the search engine "baidu", which is the flunky of the govt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:12 AM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:12 AM Was gonna say, the article comes from a rag so we should take everything with a grain of salt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippen (inactive) Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:50 AM Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:50 AM 36 minutes ago, 陳德聰 said: Was gonna say, the article comes from a rag so we should take everything with a grain of salt. Actually the article was chosen by my tutor who followed my brief exactly of wanting a hot social media topic. All of the articles I post with "hot topic" in the headline are from that selection So are you saying if a paper is well respected in China we don't need to apply 'a grain of salt' ? (Smiley here and no response required) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:56 AM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 07:56 AM Just think how much hotter the topic could have been if he'd urinated on the lift buttons too after remonstrating with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChTTay Posted February 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM Still makes good practice regardless. I’m wary of most news that comes out of these parts. Especially these types of “web articles” though. Even English language ones in Beijing put out a lot of click bait. At a previous school a lot of teachers got all worked up about not being able to take the subway to work due to a holiday closure. Stormed the Head office, demanding money for taxis or days off etc. In the end, the story was just from some random English wechat blog type site that had been shared around pre-holiday. It was mostly nonsense! The subway wasn’t closed, just closed a bit earlier which didn’t have any affect on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippen (inactive) Posted February 27, 2018 at 01:02 PM Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 01:02 PM 4 minutes ago, ChTTay said: I’m wary of most news that comes out of these parts 5 hours ago, 陳德聰 said: Was gonna say, the article comes from a rag Here the same story seen from Xinhuas perspective: http://www.xinhuanet.com/legal/2018-01/29/c_1122330004.htm And renmin wand including CCTV coverage (at the bottom) http://legal.people.com.cn/n1/2018/0123/c42510-29781535.html These two news outlet give more information on the case However, the first article may be more suitable for intermediate level given the length of the article is shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChTTay Posted February 27, 2018 at 01:04 PM Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 at 01:04 PM Thanks for the links! Fake news comes from all sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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