Foreigners at hotels in Shanghai

[DavyJonesLocker]

I must be just very lucky. I have never been banned from a hotel in China and have been in a fair few. 

 

[歐博思]

8 hours ago, imron said:

the hotel just doesn't want to be bothered doing the paperwork for the police registration.

Previously I read an article (fairly sure it was this one) from a now closed blog demonstrating just that. The guy was first denied stay on his foreigner status, then claimed his Chinese hotelier friend had told him otherwise, and he was then let behind the counter to look at the registration system/be shown incorrect, and low and behold the supposedly nationwide registration software did have a section for foreigners, but it took his insisting to get that 'we don't accept foreigners' changed into 'that'll be 69 yuan'.

 

That said, I know that foreign spies will only come to steal Chinese intellectual property when they can stay in cheap hotels. Expensive hotels make it not worth their while and they just go spy on other countries instead. /s

 

related article

 

 

[Lu]

7 hours ago, 歐博思 said:

The guy was first denied stay on his foreigner status, then claimed his Chinese hotelier friend had told him otherwise, and he was then let behind the counter to look at the registration system/be shown incorrect, and lo and behold the supposedly nationwide registration software did have a section for foreigners, but it took his insisting to get that 'we don't accept foreigners' changed into 'that'll be 69 yuan'.

Yeah, I read similar advice from a blog (5~10 years ago). The blogger/traveller often ran into the problem that he was refused just because the hotel staff didn't know how to handle it, and explains in his post how to talk your way behind the counter and how to then register yourself on the system/show the staff what to do.

[AaronUK]

1 hour ago, Lu said:

Yeah, I read similar advice from a blog (5~10 years ago). The blogger/traveller often ran into the problem that he was refused just because the hotel staff didn't know how to handle it, and explains in his post how to talk your way behind the counter and how to then register yourself on the system/show the staff what to do.

this is brilliant, perhaps there is a gap in the market for a new instruction book here

[Lu]

Went and bothered to find the website Ou Bosi links to and it's actually the same one I meant. The blog is no longer functional, but it can still be seen here.

 

I'm going to copy-paste the whole text here, because I imagine it might be useful to someone at some point. Below the full text of 'Foreigners Allowed! - Hotel Registration Tutorial', by Marian, as originally found at the Lost Laowai blog (https://www.lostlaowai.com/blog/china-stuff/china-travel/foreigners-allowed-hotel-registration-tutorial/). The pictures unfortunately didn't appear, I'll fix that next time I'm hardcore procrastinating.

 

Spoiler

These days all hotels worthy of the name “hotel”, and most hotels that aren’t, have a network connection and a computer program that allows them to register all guests at the hotel with the provincial Public Security Bureau. For all intents and purposes the system is standardized. I’ve found some small differences from province to province but having seen it in action in Beijing, Hebei, Shanxi, Shaanxi, Gansu, Sichuan, Chongqing, and Guizhou, I think it’s safe to say that it’s standardized and nationwide.

I first encountered the 旅馆信息管理系统 system in 2008 at a place in Hebei where it took a great deal of charity to refer to my lodging as a “hotel”. Actually 2元 per bed, I paid 8元 for the whole room. I’ve yet to beat that record for my cheapest ever paid lodging in China. I don’t really want to try to either.

For us foreigners, the current system really isn’t all that different from the old style paper form that we were supposed to fill out (but often didn’t) when we checked into a nice place. In terms of rules and regulations, the system probably isn’t all that different for Chinese. Of course, in terms of actually requiring people to follow the rules, it’s probably just as new and different for them as it is for us.

I wasn’t paying careful attention when the requirement for licenses was revoked. When I arrived in China in 2002 I was told by my waiban that I could only stay at International Youth Hostels and hotels that were rated four star and above. I think the change was discussed in Spring of 2003 and I’m certain it went into effect by the October Holiday of 2003. My school was a big danwei and my waiban was really good at his job. Shortly before the holidays, I was taken to his office and told via translator that the rules had changed and I was now allowed to stay anywhere I wanted. “You can even stay at a private residence if you want.”

Two months after that, when the school took me to Beijing for my flight back to the US, they tried to check our party into a three star government hotel run especially for people coming from Shijiazhuang. My Chinese wasn’t good but it was good enough to understand that the waiban was making calls to various officials back in Shijiazhuang to complain that the Shijiazhuang Hotel wouldn’t accept foreigners. We stayed somewhere else that evening but before we left that hotel for another one my waiban got the names of every single person on duty.

He wasn’t just an ordinary citizen kind of trouble maker. He was the person in charge of foreign employees and foreign guests for a top class high school that had a lot of foreign guests. Still is. He made the arrangements for the people who came to test the students who were applying for a year abroad in Singapore. He was not only responsible for passports and visas for all the teachers and officials that went on the trip to Australia with the students who were studying there, he was also responsible for the Australians when they came to China. It was and still is his job to know the rules and regulations regarding foreigners but unlike most of the waibans I’ve heard about, he actually did his job. I’ve seen him twice since I left Shijiazhuang. As a Chinese speaker, I know him a lot better than I ever did when he was responsible for me. So I know that if he went to the trouble to get the names of every single manager that refused to check me into that hotel that something was done about it.

That was nearly 9 years ago and hotels are still refusing to accept foreigners because “we don’t have a license”. I’ve spent a great deal of time and effort trying to find out information about this license. The end result of all that research has been a great big zero. There are no pictures online of the license. There are no forms to be downloaded to apply for the license. No one I’ve spoken to has ever seen the license. All that exists is a firm certainty that the license must exist.

Because of the certainty that this license exists, on this year’s massive bike trip of I’ve ended up having to deal with the police on seven separate occasions. (Eight if you count the time I couchsurfed in a PSB officer’s spare bedroom.)

On one of these occasions I was told flat out “that license hasn’t existed for years.” In two different provinces the police have contacted the Provincial Foreign Affairs Bureau for assistance, been informed that the license does not exist, and managed to register me without any problem. In Chongqing’s Jiangjin County, it appears that the police are the ones who have been making a point of telling hotels that they need a license to accept foreigners but they also asked the staff of the hotel where I had issues “who said you needed a license?” The night before my last night in Guizhou Province, the police were not only unable to provide anything in writing regarding a set of required standards for a hotel, they also didn’t want me to take down badge numbers or names and report to their supervisors that they were enforcing these nonexistent standards while both times that I dealt with the police in Guangxi Province, they were palpably relieved that I already knew what to do and, on one of these occasions, watched me use the registration system so that they could learn how!

The only place I’ve been where anyone official remained adamant that a license was required to accept foreigners for overnight residence was Zanhuang County in Hebei. On this occasion, the police flat out refused to contact the Provincial Foreign Affairs Bureau. It went on for quite a while. I eventually got to go back to my hotel but, despite offering to provide them with my own copies of all the necessary paperwork to register a foreigner when not using the standardized nationwide system for registering hotel guests, they refused to even attempt to register me. Unfortunately for them, I got badge numbers and I will be filing a complaint with their provincial supervisors when I get back to Haikou. I may not have the same kind of clout my waiban from 2002/2003 has but one thing you can be certain that provincial supervisors of any kind hate is a written letter of complaint from a foreigner.

It’s fairly safe to say that most of the people reading this are not going to end up staying at the kind of places I frequently stay on my bike trips. Given the choice, I wouldn’t stay at the kind of places I frequently stay at on my bike trips. Most of you are going to be trying to convince a Hanting or a Seven Days Inn or some nationwide chain like Rujia that it’s okay, just because you have a big nose, you don’t really need to go stay at the Sheraton for 1000元 a night.

And here’s where this tutorial comes in.

I apologize for the quality of the screen shots. If the program were on my own computer, I’d have a screenshot. Instead these are photos of the screen.

First you have to get yourself behind the counter. Assume that the hotel has already said “but we don’t have the license to accept foreigners”. The correct answer to this is not to get nasty and yell “what fucking license?” Instead you need to look stunned. Speechless. Eventually stutter out something like “but I thought the Two Parties Congress of 2003 revoked that requirement”. I’m not entirely sure it was the Two Parties Congress so feel free to use whatever other impressive government words you can come up with. While they are still reeling from the fact that you, a foreigner, can throw words around like “Two Parties Congress”, ask nicely “Do you have the standardized nationwide computer system for registering hotel guests?”

Since you are probably dealing with a chain hotel, the answer will be “yes”. In 2012, I’ve managed to find places that don’t have the standardized nationwide computer system for registering hotel guests.
It took effort.

You can go for a “can I see it?” but I also find that slyly suggesting that, as the Public Security Bureau monitors (albeit not especially actively) all guests registered on the system a “how about we try using that?” and inviting yourself behind the counter to “help out” because “the system’s a little different for foreigners” works best.

It’s going to take practice to get to the point where you can reliably get yourself behind the counter of most hotels despite a firm certainty on the part of the front desk staff and manager that you are not allowed to register at their hotel. Sometimes I think they let me behind the counter because they want to see me fail. Other times they are honestly clueless and are perfectly happy to let me take over.

 

When I sat down at the computer, they’d already clicked three or four screens deep to set me up for domestic tourist registration.

In most provinces, there are two tabs in the upper left hand corner. There are some subtle differences in each province. When you sit down at the computer the first tab “境内游客入住” will probably have already been chosen. Hotel staff do this automatically. Until you point out the existence of the “境外游客入住” tab they may have been completely unaware that it existed.

 

Point it out. “See, right here. Foreign Tourist Residency Registration.” “境外游客入住” Surely the PSB wouldn’t have given you a computer program that lets you register foreign guests if you weren’t allowed to…” Look apologetic “It’s not your fault. I guess whoever told you about the license was misinformed.” I cannot stress how important it is to always always always give the other party the opportunity to save face.

Everything that is marked in red or starred or underlined (depending on the province) must be filled out. Having accidentally misspelled my own name on one very tired occasion, deliberately entered my passport number wrong on another, and learned after two months that I’ve been putting in the wrong visa information, I know that the computer system has issues. Once (and only once) in Sichuan, the moment I entered my passport number, almost all of the other information that had been entered the night before was automagically filled in. But it only happened the one time in Sichuan and not any of the other times in Sichuan or anywhere else so I’m not sure what was going on.

Not every province has the same things marked in red. Passport Number, Passport Type, Country of Origin, Gender, Birthdate, Type of Visa, Expected Date of Departure from China, Date of Entry into China, and Port of Entry are all reliably in red. Room number is never in red but if you don’t fill it out the system gets angry with you.

I fill out most nearly everything on the form. It’s easier than figuring out what’s in red for this province. The only blank I absolutely will not fill in is “credit card number”.

入住房号: Room Number

You’ll notice that this isn’t in red but there’s a great big exclamation point next to it. You have to fill it in even though it isn’t in red. Just ask the staff what your room number is.

入住时间: Time of Registration

The computer usually fills this in automatically.

国籍/地区: Country or Region

In China, Taiwan and Hong Kong citizens aren’t Chinese but they aren’t residents of other countries either. They are residents of another region.  I had this drilled into me one year at the Tour of Hainan when the Taiwanese National Team was attending. In unofficial documents in English they could be called the National Team. Official or unofficial they could not be called a National Team in Chinese. Taiwan was always always always a region. The official Chinese for Taiwan is 中华台北 “Chinese Taibei”.

Of course, since the system is supposed to be used by native speakers of Chinese who probably don’t speak any English and who are struggling to find things in your passport, it makes perfect sense that the list of countries is in alphabetical order by International Olympic Committee country code. It’s blindingly obvious to anyone who spends any time at all thinking about these sorts of weighty matters that the first and second options for overseas tourists planning on spending the night in a hotel in China should be “Aruba” and “Afghanistan” rather than the “United States” and “Japan”.

Even in Guangxi Province where the alphabetical shortcuts aren’t listed they still work so you’ll want to memorize your shortcuts. For the US you can type “USA” or “MG”. Even just a “U” will narrow down the list of options considerably.

英文姓/英文名: English Family Name / English Given Name(s)

English family name and given name(s) also are not in red in this screenshot from Guizhou but as I’ve never failed to fill them in, I don’t know what happens if you don’t. I do know that the system has very specific ideas of what is and is not acceptable and that it varies province to province. In Sichuan you cannot have two capital letters in your English family name, in Guangxi you must use ALL CAPITALS for the English name.

证件之类: Type of ID

On the screenshot provided, “ordinary passport” [普通护照 - pthz] is the fifth option. You can skip to it by typing “13″ or “pthz”. If you just type “hz” you’ll only see the items that have an “hz” in them. You’d think it would be the most common kind of identity document being used by non-Chinese citizens and, as a result, it would be first on the list. Sometimes it’s not even in the first ten. In this case, the first item is #6 “single use entry for Taiwanese citizen” [一次性台胞证 - ycxtbz] and the second item (clearly very relevant for a foreign national) is #10 “Chinese ID Card” [身份证 - sfz].

I do not know what happened to numbers 1-5 or 7-9. At least in this particular province (Guizhou) they apparently weren’t relevant.

证件号码: ID number

The number on your ID. Natch.

性别: Gender

Later on, I will point out a place in one of the screenshots where the short code isn’t the same as the pinyin for the item. I really wish that this meant that there was some other item in that list that had the short code with the correctly corresponding pinyin. However, both “male” [男 - n], and “female” [女 - n] have the same short code in this drop down list. At least in Guizhou, “m” and “f” do not work as short codes. In Guangxi, they’ve given some thought to hotel staff’s inability to tell stuff about foreigners just by looking at them and options for gender include “don’t know”.

(If you need to use a short code for a two item drop down list, however, you need more help than this tutorial could possibly give you.)

出生日期: Birthdate

Obvious, I should think.

签证(注)种类: Type of Visa

This is probably going to be “tourism” [旅游 -ly], “study” [学习 - xx], “business” [生意 - sy], “employment” [就业 - jy], or “employment”[职业 - zy] for most of you. About twenty options are given. In at least one province “foreigner employment visa or Taiwanese residence card” were listed together as the SAME option. If you have one of the above listed kinds of visas, the short codes I’ve given above should be sufficient for finding your visa in the list.

I only recently noticed that my employment visa is a 就业 rather than a 职业 but, despite months of telling the system that it was a 职业 my form has never been rejected.

签证(注)号码: Visa Number

This isn’t in red in this particular screenshot but I think it’s been in red in one or more provinces. I always fill everything in as a matter of course because it’s easier than figuring out what this province wants that that province didn’t want. You’ll find this number in the upper right hand corner of your visa. When I accidentally on purpose typed it in wrong in one province, nothing untoward happened and my form was still saved.

在华停留至:Departure Date from China

Despite the fact that most of us who are here on legal visas have no problem whatsoever renewing our visa without leaving the country, the date that you will be leaving China is the date that your current visa expires. Once again, since I already have experience with other computer systems from when I did my company and visa paperwork all on my own, I already knew this and have not tried anything silly like putting in 2020.

签发机关: Issuing Authority for Visa

The list is long. Sometimes the list is really long. Depending on my mood, I will occasionally search out and find Haikou, Hainan. Other times I’ve just put in Hainan. For all the many different ways that I’ve had the computer complain about me not filling in an entry correctly, this hasn’t been one of them.

Since all the items on this list are in China, I have no idea what a person on a tourist visa would do. My last tourist visa, oh so many years ago, was issued by the embassy in Washington DC. My parents’ tourist visa from their visit just a couple months ago also had 华盛顿 written on it as the issuing authority.

入境日期: Date of Entry

Your date of entry is NOT the date that you entered China. It’s the date of your last entry into China. For me, despite living in China since September 2002, that means my date of entry is currently July 24th, 2011. That’s when I got back from a three day business trip to Thailand. I can’t speak for certain with this computer program, but other computer programs I have dealt with that want your date of entry get very unhappy with you if you try to put your actual date of entry.

The correct format for the above date is 20110724. If you use periods, dashes, commas, or any punctuation of any kind Murphy’s Law suggests that it will be the wrong kind. To date, I’ve yet to encounter a computer that has a problem with me just putting the numbers in.

Here, the Hebei Central Police Authority is listed as the first possible port of entry for a foreigner. The next items are the Shijiazhuang Airport and Qinhuangdao. I’m sure the programer felt that these three places get far more foreigners than say Beijing Capital Airport which is why he listed them first.

 

入境口岸: Port of Entry

I don’t know why they care about your port of entry but they do. Some of the provinces list “Beijing,” “Shanghai”, and “Guangzhou” at the top of the list. Most of them just start with something totally random and continue from there in what appears to be a quasi-geographical type of ordering done by someone who may have been throwing darts at a map.

If you take a careful look at the above screenshot, you’ll also notice that the short letter code for Qinghuangdao West Port 西港(秦皇岛) instead of being the first letter of each character’s pinyin XGQHD is XDQHD. So if the place where you entered has a long name like 广州白云国际机场/Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport, you will not want to look under GZBYGJJC (that’s the first letter of the pinyin for each character) because there is a distinct possibility that the person who programmed in the full name isn’t as good at pinyin as you are and/or failed to notice a typo.

In the very specific case of the airport in Guangzhou, it’s sometimes listed as 白云, sometimes listed as 白云机场, and sometimes 广州白云国际机场.

If, like me, Guangzhou was your most recent port of entry, just using “by” for 白云 will narrow the list down sufficiently that you can find it without reading through every single place that foreigners can conceivably enter into China.

证件有效期: ID Expiration Date

I don’t think I should need to explain this one. As you will see in the screenshot, the numbers are separated by dashes. Some provinces want dashes. Some want periods. Just put in all the numbers at once 20190820 and the computer will put the right punctuation in.

接待单位/接待人: Host Organization/ Host Person

Some of the hotels I’ve stayed at that have actually seen a foreigner before have put in their own hotel name in that blank. Some haven’t. I usually put my company name. The system has not complained either way.

In the screenshot, the blank for host person is still my English name. The computer ended up not accepting that. Despite the fact that I used the same Chinese name for “Name in Chinese”, the computer had no problem on that occasion (or any other occasion) with it being the same.

从何地来/到何地去: Coming From/Going To

For this trip I’ve been choosing “Beijing” for coming from and “Haikou” for going to ever since the computer didn’t like me choosing the last city I’d stayed in. It knew that I hadn’t registered in the last city I’d stayed in. This list is enormous and is usually but not always ordered semi-geographically.

I am particularly amused to note, as you will see in the screenshot to your left, that one of the places I can choose for Hainan is 通什市. When I arrived in Hainan in 2004, 通什市 had already been renamed 五指山市.

停留事由: Reason for Visiting

This option is reliably hidden. It isn’t always a required item but it often is. If it turns out to be one of the ones you were supposed to fill in and you miss it, when you press “save” the computer will let you know you didn’t fill it in. Otherwise, you can look for the scroll bar in the middle of the screen.

Once again, the options are not in any particularly useful order. As you can see in the screenshot to your right, they are listed in numerical order by codes “15,” “12,” “13,” “14,” “99,” “01″ corresponding to “Interview” [采访 - cy], “Wedding” [婚礼 - hl], “Purchasing Property” [购房 - gf], “Doctors’ Visit” [就医 - jy], “Other” [其他 - qt], and “Study” [学习 - xx]. There are about 50 options.

I’ve yet to see anything other than 采访/interview first and 婚礼/wedding second. As you are probably not a journalist (or, if you are a journalist aren’t traveling on official business that had you notifying the local government in advance) whatever you do DO NOT PICK 采访. I don’t know what will happen if you do pick it but I know for certain that local governments get fussy about foreign journalists. Go with “travel and tourism” 旅游 (ly). It’s probably the truth.

职业: Profession

Also reliably hidden. You’ll notice that in this screen shot it is not a required option. However, it is often a required option. If you can find the Reason for Visiting blank, you can find this one.

You will be presented with a totally random list of unordered options and none of them will fit very well. I always pick 企业经理 (qyjl) because, as the manager of a translation agency, it’s a better fit than soldier or student.

Once you press save you’ll be asked whether or not you want to print off a copy of the Temporary Residence Registration Form for Foreigners. It’s a trick question. Don’t do it!  Most of the hotels don’t have a printer connected. So, if you click “yes” you’ll get an error message. Click “cancel” instead.

I’ve only tried to stay in a hotel room with a Chinese person once where the system got used. Despite the room having two beds, my being registered to the room effectively canceled out his registration. I don’t know what the hotel ended up doing after that. For all I know they did nothing.  We went out to dinner.

Avoid having your passport scanned. In theory the system has text recognition and will automagically fill in most of the blanks from seeing your passport. In reality, it will cough and hiccup and fail more often than not. Also, many hotels have a mini-scanner that’s just the right size for an 二代身份证 or a Chinese driver’s license but which cannot cope with a passport.

 

[zander1]

Thanks a lot Lu!

 

Honestly, reading that blog I sometimes wonder if the bureaucracy in China was designed in a Pynchon-esque nightmare. It’s just so badly designed it’s honestly beyond belief. Obviously this is a special example but I wonder how much better China’s economy could be if they removed these ridiculous inefficencies. 

[LiMo]

I've had the opposite experience although my trips to China have been limited and thoroughly budget friendly. If you can stand it, why not choose a cosy hostel room for two. Some of them are pretty decent and I've never been turned away. 

[889]

Just to be clear -- for the benefit of those who've somehow managed never to hear 对不起我们不能接待外宾 (and it's such a common phrase that simply typing dbqwmbnjdwb is enough to bring it up on my input editor) -- no does not always mean no: put on your best hangdog look and maybe, but only maybe, they'll call the boss and get an OK for you to pollute the premises with your foreignness.
 

Usually you can sense upfront whether it's a firm no-way no or not. Myself, I don't waste much energy dealing with a NO! Better to just move out and try someplace else. I certainly wouldn't go to the sort of lengths outlined in that blog post. Talk about overdoing it.

[DavyJonesLocker]

I fail to see the problem here, if you can't stay at that hotel just choose another one. There are thousands and thousands on Crip, qunar etc. 

[889]

It's 10:30 at night, dark and raining. You're carrying 15lbs in a rucksack. And you're beat after a four-hour bus ride.

 

Not to mention, this is the third hotel in a row to turn you away.

 

See the problem?

[Zbigniew]

2 hours ago, 889 said:

Not to mention, this is the third hotel in a row to turn you away.

 

See the problem?

Add having lost your passport and it being Christmas Eve and your embassy being shut until January 2nd into the mix, and things become even more of a problem. Believe me, I should know.

[zander1]

The blogger seems to still be encountering the same problems (and responding with the same iron will!) based on this post: https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/vietnam2018/d49-wangsong-town-to-anpu-town/

[歐博思]

Man she is a glutton for punishment. I think I'm in love.

[DavyJonesLocker]

8 hours ago, 889 said:

It's 10:30 at night, dark and raining. You're carrying 15lbs in a rucksack. And you're beat after a four-hour bus ride.

 

Not to mention, this is the third hotel in a row to turn you away.

 

See the problem?

 

 

No, because I book ahead 

 

Come to 2018 889 

[roddy]

Come to the first post, Mr Locker ;-)

 

All seems quite the mess, and an unnecessary one at that. 

[DavyJonesLocker]

I mean that when you book on these apps like ctrip qunar, you get a booking reference number and the next day or two the actual confirmation comes through when they have checked with the hotel that they reservation is actually confirmed. You have to enter you details (passport number, visa number etc) Every time my partner books it's pretty much straight away but with me its the next day or day. Did the OP actually get this or perhaps his wife book just under her name only?

 

[DavyJonesLocker]

6 hours ago, zander1 said:

The blogger seems to still be encountering the same problems (and responding with the same iron will!) based on this post: https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/vietnam2018/d49-wangsong-town-to-anpu-town/

 

 

Look what he writes

However, once they become a confrontation, I love the drama of it and they (with "they" being some combination of the hotel staff and the local police) hate it.

.....

Found a place that was much too staidly old and nice looking for my usual tastes (it had a parking lot and an attached in-house spa that is probably a brothel) but which would do. Only CNY 98 for a single as well.

 

 

As in $15 USD?? And they expect everything to go smoothly and the staff to be co-operative. then he acts like an arrogant foreigner telling the staff he knows more about their procedures than they do and just barges off to the room. What does he expect? If I was chinese I'd kick him out on the street too. Its lucky he didn't get a beating at the same time.  I had the similar horror stories in India, Africa etc where I paid too cheap.   Its not the bureaucracy its people not willing to pay for what you get. How many foreigners does that author think they get in these small places and especially in these ultra low budget hotels? its might have been the first time ever a foreigner tried to stay there. 

 

I have stayed in a fair few redneck places and never once had an issue, however one needs to pay 300 minimum for anything now for a 3 star (as in a proper star rating)

 

To be honest that person sounds like a total idiot and brings it upon himself

 

[anonymoose]

5 hours ago, DavyJonesLocker said:

No, because I book ahead 

 

Doesn't always work, though. I've been turned away on arrival even with confirmed bookings from ctrip, or more frequently, a phone-call from ctrip a few days after the reservation was confirmed to tell me that the hotel does not accept foreigners. Not a big problem if there is still enough time to book an alternative, but it is a big problem if it's 10:30 at night, dark, raining, you're carrying 15 kg in a rucksack, you're farked after a four-hour bus ride, and this is the third hotel in a row to turn you away.

[DavyJonesLocker]

30 minutes ago, anonymoose said:

 

Doesn't always work, though. I've been turned away on arrival even with confirmed bookings from ctrip, or more frequently, a phone-call from ctrip a few days after the reservation was confirmed to tell me that the hotel does not accept foreigners. Not a big problem if there is still enough time to book an alternative, but it is a big problem if it's 10:30 at night, dark, raining, you're carrying 15 kg in a rucksack, you're farked after a four-hour bus ride, and this is the third hotel in a row to turn you away.

 

That's pretty bad service from ctrip actually. Understand your frustration. Looks like I've just been lucky until now

[陳德聰]

1 hour ago, DavyJonesLocker said:

As in $15 USD?? And they expect everything to go smoothly and the staff to be co-operative. then he acts like an arrogant foreigner telling the staff he knows more about their procedures than they do and just barges off to the room. What does he expect? If I was chinese I'd kick him out on the street too. Its lucky he didn't get a beating at the same time.  I had the similar horror stories in India, Africa etc where I paid too cheap.   Its not the bureaucracy its people not willing to pay for what you get. How many foreigners does that author think they get in these small places and especially in these ultra low budget hotels? its might have been the first time ever a foreigner tried to stay there. 

I’m a bit perplexed by the insinuation that the low cost should mean foreigners should expect to go along with what can be described as anywhere from professional incompetence to open xenophobia.

 

If you operate a hotel, shouldn’t you be able to provide the services of a hotel? I don’t see the logic here. If the author, who went through the trouble of learning how to complete the task, is showing operators how to do it, in effect the author is performing free training on top of paying for room and board.