New Members mrv Posted October 2, 2018 at 08:16 AM New Members Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 08:16 AM Hi all, I would like to have tattoo has meaning of disgrace/dishonor. I found so many symbols so far. Can you please share the letter/symbol with me? Thank you in advance, Mrv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:49 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:49 AM Hello and welcome to the forum. I have to ask why? Its not a good feeling. As you saw from your searches there are many ways to write it and each one means something slightly different, this shows how things do not translate well. Writing it in Chinese does not make it special or magic. Also who will be able to read it? Unless you are surrounded by Chinese people, no one will understand it. Please don't do this. Also if the person who does the tattoo is not a skilled calligrapher you could end up with a terrible mess. Before you ink, think and think again and again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigZaboon Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:50 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 09:50 AM Never.... No way... I'm not going to help you. I am confident that the cooler heads here will show up soon to attempt to disuade you, but I figured I'd get my licks in first. As they say around here, context is everything, but I'll be presumptuous enough to presume that you're doing this because of some recent personal disaster or shaming by an ex significant other. If you look like your avatar, you're young enough to get over the emotional problem sooner than you may think right now. But a tattoo, as they say, is forever... If you are in China studies or Chinese related work, a tattoo like this will mark you forever as strange, or worse, foolish, among Chinese, even among your Chinese friends, though they may not say it to you directly. I live in Japan, where there's a big discussion about what to do about the thousands of tourists and maybe hundreds of competitors coming for the Olympics who have tattoos. Tattoos are still taboo in society in general, in spite of the recent popularity among those who consider themselves "cool" or "edgy". Young mothers have to submit to horrible scarring to take their children to public pools or school athletic events. No matter what your friends may tell you, there's still a huge stigma attached to tattoos, especially for females, in most of Asia. With that rant out of the way, if you have nothing to do with China or Japan (or Korea, for that matter), you may want to ignore my advice, and there's probably no consequences to doing so. But my personal experiences and prejudices (politically correct or not) have been that tattoos on Asian men were often a sign of a rite of passage, and on women were a sign of ownership. Neither were very pleasant for the person with the tattoo. Just my two cents, but I've worked hard for what little money and whatever irrelevant experience I've got. TBZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigZaboon Posted October 2, 2018 at 10:08 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 10:08 AM Oops, @Shelley beat me to it. Her advice is more palatable and more politely expressed, you should listen to her. And, as usual, she is spot-on. Think twice, maybe three or four times, before you do something irreversible that you may regret, probably sooner than you might think... TBZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM What exactly do you want to express? Disgrace/dishonour can both be nouns and verbs, but their translations will be different in chinese. 丢脸 is probably a good all-round one that you could have. Please come back and post a picture when you've had it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
陳德聰 Posted October 2, 2018 at 04:23 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 04:23 PM I am not used to the idea of tattooing a very negatively implicated word on one’s body. It would seem like a punishment rather than like it has some sort of special deeper meaning. That being said, if it is because you are in some sort of extreme dom sub relationship, and planning on suggesting the tattoo to someone else, perhaps consider a semi-permanent tattoo of the character 辱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsima Posted October 2, 2018 at 10:19 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 10:19 PM maybe something like 瓦全 (as in 寧爲玉碎不爲瓦全) but actually yeah on second thought that is also just make chinese people uncomfortable too after your inevitable explanation of said tattoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Publius Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:56 PM Report Share Posted October 2, 2018 at 11:56 PM I suggest a different character 恥. At least you can put a positive spin on it, like 知恥而後勇. As is pointed out by other members, tattoo is viewed negatively in China, and more broadly, in East Asian culture. It runs contrary to Confucius's teaching: 身體髮膚，受之父母，不敢毀傷，孝之始也。 Historically, tattoo was used as a form of punishment. and is today still associated with criminals. It's quite ironic that many Westerners think getting a Chinese tattoo is cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:59 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 12:59 AM I had a teacher several years ago (here in China) who disgraced herself in some serious way. She shaved her head as an act of contrition and to remind herself of her sin. She wore a hat most of the time indoors and out that winter. But when she took it off she was immediately reminded. She told me she didn't want to forget the lesson she had learned. In the spring her hair grew out and she moved on with her life, wiser and resolved to live more carefully. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imron Posted October 3, 2018 at 03:37 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 03:37 AM 2 hours ago, abcdefg said: In the spring her hair grew out A far less permanent solution than a tattoo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdefg Posted October 3, 2018 at 07:43 AM Report Share Posted October 3, 2018 at 07:43 AM On 10/3/2018 at 11:37 AM, imron said: A far less permanent solution than a tattoo! Yes, that was my point in recounting the anecdote. I was hoping that option would catch the Original Poster's eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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