Tomsima Posted October 8, 2024 at 01:21 PM Author Report Posted October 8, 2024 at 01:21 PM 韙(韪) wei3 means 是 in its 对 sense. Appeared in the phrase 冒天下之大不韪(全然不顾公众的反对,公然去做天下人认为是最大的错事)Interestingly, it appears to pretty much only be used with 不 in modern Mandarin(常跟否定词”不“连用), my guess being because it is used that way in the 左傳, and everyone loves quoting from that. 3 Quote
Tomsima Posted October 18, 2024 at 10:59 PM Author Report Posted October 18, 2024 at 10:59 PM 酊 ding3 / ding1 turned up in 酩酊大醉, where 酩酊 is just a sound that describes drunkenness. Here it is pronounced with a 3rd tone, while on its own it is pronounced with a 1st tone and is used as a transliteration of 'tincture'. 1 Quote
Jim Posted November 1, 2024 at 03:06 PM Report Posted November 1, 2024 at 03:06 PM 跸〔蹕〕bì to clear the road so the emperor can pass; came across it in a compound 驻跸 which meant a monarch lodging while on tour. 1 Quote
Tomsima Posted November 6, 2024 at 09:28 PM Author Report Posted November 6, 2024 at 09:28 PM 疈 pi4 Cangjie 一田戈中田 (mwilw) 'to split' Caught my eye in a linguistics book comparing Old Chinese with Limbu (van Driem 2001), as the character was twice the width of all the others! This was a Brill publication who are always very tight with their typesetting, so unusual to see. Quote
Tomsima Posted November 26, 2024 at 11:07 AM Author Report Posted November 26, 2024 at 11:07 AM 绿 yes this is lǜ as in 'green', but I just learned it is actually pronounced lù in the word 绿林 (used in the common idiom 绿林好汉). This is apparently because it is actually a place name from a region which is now modern day Hubei. 西汉末年王匡、王凤领导农民在绿林山(今湖北大洪山一带)起义, 称“绿林军”。后泛指聚集山林反抗官府的武装集团 This pronunciation then gets used in a few words that have common themes of 'jianghu' countryside banditry, eg 绿营 清代由汉人编成的分驻在地方的武装力量。因旗帜为绿色, 故称。 Here it is still pronounced lù not lǜ, despite it referring to the colour green on the banners. I thought this interesting enough to warrant a character of the day entry! 3 1 Quote
Lu Posted November 27, 2024 at 08:15 AM Report Posted November 27, 2024 at 08:15 AM On 9/11/2024 at 5:25 PM, calculatrix said: and my dictionary gives "silk" for the left compound and "benefit" for the right one. 🤔 Makes perfect sense. 糸 -> it has something to do with ropes/stringiness, 益 -> it sounds like yì. On 11/26/2024 at 12:07 PM, Tomsima said: 绿 yes this is lǜ as in 'green', but I just learned it is actually pronounced lù in the word 绿林 That looks like it might be one of those rare cases where even the native speakers get it wrong! Quote
Tomsima Posted November 29, 2024 at 11:42 PM Author Report Posted November 29, 2024 at 11:42 PM @Lu I've now asked a few people, nobody has got the pronunciation wrong yet, seems like it's common enough as a description of the outlaws in 水浒传 that nobody seems to see the potential confusion 1 Quote
Popular Post anonymoose Posted November 30, 2024 at 09:22 PM Popular Post Report Posted November 30, 2024 at 09:22 PM On 11/26/2024 at 11:07 AM, Tomsima said: 绿 yes this is lǜ as in 'green', but I just learned it is actually pronounced lù in the word 绿林 (used in the common idiom 绿林好汉). This is apparently because it is actually a place name from a region which is now modern day Hubei. This is also pronounced lù in the name 鸭绿江, the river separating China from North Korea. I would expect most native speakers would have heard of this. 6 Quote
Tomsima Posted December 16, 2024 at 10:41 PM Author Report Posted December 16, 2024 at 10:41 PM 彘 zhi4 used in 人彘, which I'm very sorry if you have to look up, as it is a rather revolting punishment from ancient China. In fact, the character in question is associated directly with a famous story from the Han dynasty, where the jealous 皇后 of Liu Bang cuts off all the extremities of his favourite concubine after his death. I vaguely remember this turning up in 鹿鼎记 (I just checked and sure enough!), but turned up today in a rather poor joke in a conversation 1 Quote
Dlezcano Posted December 17, 2024 at 01:03 AM Report Posted December 17, 2024 at 01:03 AM On 12/16/2024 at 11:41 PM, Tomsima said: 彘 zhi4 used in 人彘, which I'm very sorry if you have to look up, as it is a rather revolting punishment from ancient China. In fact, the character in question is associated directly with a famous story from the Han dynasty, where the jealous 皇后 of Liu Bang cuts off all the extremities of his favourite concubine after his death. I vaguely remember this turning up in 鹿鼎记 (I just checked and sure enough!), but turned up today in a rather poor joke in a conversation I'm afraid you already posted this one four years ago! 1 Quote
lordsuso Posted December 17, 2024 at 08:49 AM Report Posted December 17, 2024 at 08:49 AM On 12/16/2024 at 11:41 PM, Tomsima said: used in 人彘, which I'm very sorry if you have to look up you just ruined my day good sir Quote
Tomsima Posted December 17, 2024 at 09:55 AM Author Report Posted December 17, 2024 at 09:55 AM On 12/17/2024 at 1:03 AM, Dlezcano said: you already posted this one four years ago! oh dear you're right! clearly the scene from 鹿鼎记 affected me deeply as I recalled it then too... Quote
mouse Posted December 19, 2024 at 02:50 PM Report Posted December 19, 2024 at 02:50 PM Regarding 綠林好漢, to add another interesting twist, Mandarin speakers in Taiwan do pronounce it as lǜ, see e.g.: https://youtu.be/kbz2l3T-nxs?si=mcyTVOMKugh2mKie 1 Quote
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