Larry Language Lover Posted April 20, 2020 at 04:58 PM Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 04:58 PM In this sentence, is the 地 pronounced more with a "de/duh" sound or a "di/dee" sound? I had a Taiwanese guy tell me here it has more of a "dee" sound but the pinyin is "de". Quote
Shelley Posted April 20, 2020 at 05:40 PM Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 05:40 PM When used as a structural particle it is de, when used to mean earth it is dì. So in your example i would expect it to be pronounced de. Quote
Larry Language Lover Posted April 20, 2020 at 05:59 PM Author Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 05:59 PM In these two example sentences, Pleco writes it as "de" but pronounces it as "di" 实事求是地处理问题 天渐渐地冷了 Quote
abcdefg Posted April 20, 2020 at 07:59 PM Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 07:59 PM 1 hour ago, Larry Language Lover said: 实事求是地处理问题 天渐渐地冷了 Both of those are said sort of like "duh" (a soft Pinyin "de," without emphasis.) Not "dee." Quote
Geiko Posted April 20, 2020 at 08:15 PM Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 08:15 PM 2 hours ago, Larry Language Lover said: Pleco writes it as "de" but pronounces it as "di" You're right, Pleco does pronounce it as "di" in both sentences, but it's not the right pronunciation. For the first sentence the text-to-speech tool parses the sentence in the wrong way, it understands 地处 as the word dìchu and not (实事求是)地(处理问题). In the second sentence it chooses the first option for the character 地, which happens to be dì, but it's not the right option in this case. Quote
Larry Language Lover Posted April 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM Author Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 10:07 PM I've always understood it as de. I sure don't understand why my language partner from Taiwan would correct me and say it is pronounced di or people would not understand me. On this youtube video pronunciation site I did hear "di" sometimes. I don't know if each time it is a variation of the "earth" meaning: https://youglish.com/pronounce/地/chinese/tw? Quote
889 Posted April 20, 2020 at 11:00 PM Report Posted April 20, 2020 at 11:00 PM I've always considered 的/得/地 sounded di to be an old-fashioned variant. Maybe particularly used in some traditional forms like opera? And by older people in some parts of the country? Foreigners using it would sound quaint. Here's Puyi, at 0:30. There's a couple des and a couple dis in there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIMIWjV6Mck Quote
oceancalligraphy Posted April 21, 2020 at 03:20 AM Report Posted April 21, 2020 at 03:20 AM The sound is de when it is used as a structural particle, and its usage is the same as 的. That's what's taught in Taiwan, as shown at https://www.moedict.tw/地 Quote
Jim Posted April 21, 2020 at 05:05 AM Report Posted April 21, 2020 at 05:05 AM You do hear the pronunciation "dee" but often as an exaggerated comic effect or to mimic dialect. See the character 滴 substituted online to achieve the same and I presume emphasise the intended pronunciation, here's one example: http://sndrc.shaanxi.gov.cn/html/100281/1022926.html Quote
Lu Posted April 21, 2020 at 09:05 PM Report Posted April 21, 2020 at 09:05 PM That's how I know di, as an old-fashioned or very formal way of saying the word. I think I've heard it in Deng Lijun songs (Goodbye my love, wǒ di àirén zàijiàn...) It's nonsense that people wouldn't understand you with de, de is the normal, regular Mandarin pronunciation. You need to know that 地 or 的 can be pronounced di, but you never need to use that pronunciation. 1 Quote
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