HSK 3.0 ... new, new HSK?

[大块头]

 

On 7/14/2020 at 4:23 AM, 7800 said:

So, there's this reddit post from last month. Has anyone here seen it? OP seems to have scanned a part of that book that's supposed to serve as a basis of the new HSK, and there's a short discussion about the book and the vocabulary list.

 

On 7/27/2020 at 5:02 PM, Demonic_Duck said:

And speaking of idle speculation... one other thing that's very intriguing about the syllable thing - the (speculative) vocab list linked in this Reddit thread mentions "stress levels" of light, medium, and heavy, which seem to be only tangentially related to the conventional 轻声.

 

That Reddit thread is misleading. The OP there is sharing pictures from a 2019 book that's geared towards advanced CFL students or non-Mandarin Chinese speakers who want to achieve standard pronunciation. That book is based on a 11092 word vocabulary list originally published in a 2010 book called《 汉语国际教育用音节汉字词汇等级划分》, or《等级划分》for short.

 

The vocabulary, character, and syllable lists in the《等级划分》are explicitly cited as the provisional content for the HSK 3.0 in a paper (Liu et al. 2020) shared by the official HSK Twitter account. The finalized content for the HSK 3.0 will be released sometime in the future by the State Language Work Committee.

 

I have managed to get my hands on a PDF of the《等级划分》. (If anybody here wants that PDF as well as an spreadsheet of the vocabulary lists it contains they are welcome to DM me.) The《等级划分》do not discuss any sort of "stress levels" other than the basic five tones.

 

On 7/24/2020 at 2:41 PM, Demonic_Duck said:

I gotta be honest, the fact they're basing the whole thing on this book 《 汉语国际教育用音节汉字词汇等级划分》 seems super weird. Perhaps thanks to a lobbying campaign by/on behalf of the author?

 

刘英林, co-editor of the《等级划分》and first author of the (Liu et al. 2020) paper, was the first director of the 北京语言大学和国家汉办汉语水平考试中心 and one of the co-creators of the original HSK test in the nineties. I wonder what sort of palace intrigue led to the《等级划分》getting shelved for the last ten years?

 

On 7/27/2020 at 3:45 AM, roddy said:

I'm really not sure what's going on with 音节. You'd expect them to be starting with vocab and then providing character and syllable info based on that. BUT if you look at the numbers, all the characters are nice round numbers and the others aren't. Which suggests that either they've started with characters and then decided what vocab items that lets them include

 

Roddy is right on the money. As described in the《等级划分》preface, the overall process for compiling the lists at each level was (1) compare some character frequency lists to pick a list of 900 characters for that level, (2) compare a bunch of word frequency lists to pick a list of words that were exclusively composed of the characters included so far, then (3) compile a list of syllables that you'd need to pronounce all the characters.

[Weyland]

Going by vocab alone, and taking in mind how they expect examinees to have double the passive vocab you get these extreme reversal in course when comparing HSK3.0 to HSK2.0.

[大块头]

These visualizations are very cool @Weyland. How did you create the second bar graph? Did you use some frequency analysis out there of practice HSK exams?

[Weyland]

No I went to a Chinese school with private classes and just asked people that had taken the HSK5/6 from our Wechat group what their grasp of Chinese was when they first took it, and then I compared it to my own experiences. It's an estimation. Though seeing how I was doing mock-exams while studying for the HSK6 and passing those before I even finished the first book, and having other people tell me similar stories, I just took it as an "educated guess".

Oh, btw. Teachers are being recalled to be retrained for the HSK3.0, and we'll hear more news in September apparently.

[叫我小山]

I’ve been following the Hanban twitter and website for months and still no updates about the changes. If they could just verify the textbook we think it’s from is right that would be good.

[Takeshi]

Wow, this seems pretty hardcore. I always thought I could probably pass HSK6 (though I didn't bother to do it yet), but it sounds like the new HSK will be very challenging.

[Jan Finster]

On 8/3/2020 at 1:20 PM, Weyland said:

Going by vocab alone, and taking in mind how they expect examinees to have double the passive vocab you get these extreme reversal in course when comparing HSK3.0 to HSK2.0.

 

So, I just ran CTA and compared the new HSK vocab list (~11000 words) to the Putonghua Shuiping Ceshi (普通话水平测试) vocab list (~18,000 words).

 

Brace yourself (!)

 

Of the  ~11000 words in the new HSK (3.0.) according to CTA 6969 words are not in the Putonghua Shuiping Ceshi(普通话水平测试) (~18,000 words). So, in order to know the vocabulary of both, you would need approximately 25000 words.

 

That should keep us busy for a while...

 

Edit:

I combined both lists and CTA now says: 23084 unique words and 4950 unique characters.

 

 

[roddy]

Where's the PSC list? Not sure I've seen that. 

[Jan Finster]

36 minutes ago, roddy said:

Where's the PSC list? Not sure I've seen that. 

https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/37109-psc-普通話水平測試-vocabulary-list/

[roddy]

And of course, it's a topic I've posted in. Thanks!

[Jan Finster]

1 minute ago, roddy said:

And of course, it's a topic I've posted in. Thanks!

I am disappointed that you do not remember all of your 20.802 posts... ?

[roddy]

I suspect I'm better at remembering everyone else's. My own seem to be the problem. 

[Jan Finster]

5 minutes ago, roddy said:

I suspect I'm better at remembering everyone else's

Then mastering those 25000 words should not take you more than a rainy day or two ? 

[hong long]

Hi everyone , I'm very much confused. Sorry for my low chinese level (HSK 2, perhaps 1.5 now!!! ?). I would like to try next year HSK3.

I have orange book HSK 3 standard course. When I began to Confucio Institute I saw they used this for the exam, but it was some year ago. There's a better book? I wrote another post for some advice for some online lesson, but no answer.

https://www.chinese-forums.com/forums/topic/60598-lingo-chinese/?tab=comments#comment-474559

There is now an official list of characters?

Many thanks

[mungouk]

Hi @hong long

 

Nobody knows for sure what will happen with the new HSK format (so-called "HSK 3.0"). We are all waiting to hear more information about it.

 

I think it's a good idea to continue with your textbook for now. 

 

 

[Weyland]

@hong longPlus, not that it really matters. There is no "perfect book" to learn Chinese from, the HSK is merely a standard they use for stuff like college admissions and rarely some job applications.

Most colleges in China will start admissions from Feb - May. So, it would be really odd if they suddenly started requiring the new HSK less than 3 months out.

Here is the new HSK vocab you can import into your Pleco flashcards [<link]. The new HSK level 3 will be what's in the "普及化 - ENTRY LEVEL" category in that file, which consists of 2246 words. But, don't worry. A lot of the words that used to be part of the extra-curricular section at the back of your chapters, or used in the text section as additional vocabulary are now part of the new HSK. And as such the majority of the contents should be familiar to you (once you've passed the current HSK level 3)
 

Edit: Messed up the link?

[hong long]

@Weyland Sorry I dont'see wher I can download new vocabolary HSK for  Pleco, thanks

[Jan Finster]

3 hours ago, hong long said:

I would like to try next year HSK3.

 

Maybe there is a misunderstanding here. ?This thread is not about "HSK level 3" but about the renewed HSK system 2021 (which will be "3.0" (HSK before 2010 was version 1, 2010-2020 was version 2). 

[Demonic_Duck]

They should have called it HSK 丙 to disambiguate. But then I guess that'd still cause confusion...

 

[叫我小山]

I made an Anki deck combining all of the 普通话水平测试 vocabulary; the HSK3.0 vocabulary; as well as the current HSK1-5 (as I’ve learnt up to that point now) then removed all of the individual characters (as I have a deck for that already), and it came to approximately 15,500 words. I figure if you learn these words you probably won’t run into any words that you: a) won’t understand from context and from the characters encompassing it, or b) would find extremely rare and probably don’t need to know (as you might hear it less than once a year or something). I did this using python but I think people may be getting different results if they use CTA.