Popular Post Lu Posted June 2, 2020 at 05:39 PM Popular Post Report Posted June 2, 2020 at 05:39 PM As discussed here, and then decided by me a bit unilaterally (sorry) the Book of the Month for June 2020 is 《景恒街》 by 笛安. If June 2020 has long passed and you're reading this book later, welcome! Feel free to partake anyway and leave your thoughts. Di An (1983) is a young writer with so far numerous short stories and novels under her belt, won prizes, yada yada. I liked her 《芙蓉如面柳如眉》, a murder story with lots of twists, and her latest book came recommended to me, so I decided to read it. It's a pretty hefty book, 326 pages in my edition, separated into five parts, which are in turn separated into chapters. The language so far is medium to maybe a little bit hard. More difficult than 《草鞋湾》, slightly easier than 《六人晚餐》. The book starts with... a sex scene. Interesting. We don't find out yet who 她 and 他 are. Part 1, chapter 1: We meet our main characters: 朱灵境, fairly recent graduate in statistics, now working at a big firm. When we meet her, it's New Year, the company is folding because angel investor MJ will no longer fund it, so Lingjing is losing her job. Then the MJ representative offers her a job at his firm. 刘鹏, aka Tony, aka Iron Man 钢铁侠, one of the three owning partners of MJ. Has an amazing memory. Hires Lingjing because she seems promising. 孟舵主, other partner; 夏雪莉, third owning partner. Always votes with 孟舵主 when it comes to deciding which companies to invest in. 冯小雅, one of the first employees of MJ, works under Iron Man. Convinced everyone a few years ago to invest in the startup 蔓越莓, which was a good decision as it is now going public (is that the term) and the stocks do really well. She is also pregnant, late to the Monday meeting, and about to give birth in the elevator as the chapter ends. I find the corporate bits less interesting than the humour and the Beijing slice of life (Lingjing, as she travels over the Second Ring Road during 春节, notes to herself that wow, it's possible for the Second Ring Road not to be gridlocked). So far (20 pages in) it resembles the 《圈子圈套》 books but more human and funnier. No word list today, perhaps some other time. 6 Quote
imron Posted June 2, 2020 at 08:54 PM Report Posted June 2, 2020 at 08:54 PM 3 hours ago, Lu said: and then decided by me a bit unilaterally (sorry) Don't apologise. Taking charge is how things get done. 3 Quote
Lu Posted June 3, 2020 at 07:37 AM Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 07:37 AM Oh but I'm not actually sorry. I was just being polite ? 2 Quote
roddy Posted June 3, 2020 at 08:44 AM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 08:44 AM The downloads here seem to work if anyone can't get hold of a copy by other means, but I've not looked at them closely. There's also a bit of a review here. Do hope to read this one (although the twisty-murder one sounds a little more interesting) but won't be immediately. Thanks, Lu! Edit: A few stats from CTA: 146k total characters, 9,000 unique words, 32% of total words and 70% of unique words are *outside* of HSK1-6. Edit Edit: I see elsewhere that the book has 170k characters - which makes me think the electronic version might not be complete. Be careful. 3 Quote
Jellyfish Posted June 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 11:46 AM 3 hours ago, roddy said: A few stats from CTA Thank you so much for this! What is this "CTA" and how can I use it? I really need to improve my reading skills but get frustrated when I have to look up so many words, having a rough idea of what I'm getting myself into in advance would be so good. Quote
roddy Posted June 3, 2020 at 12:00 PM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 12:00 PM Careful. It has opinions. 1 1 Quote
Lu Posted June 3, 2020 at 02:31 PM Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 02:31 PM 5 hours ago, roddy said: A few stats from CTA: 146k total characters, 9,000 unique words, 32% of total words and 70% of unique words are *outside* of HSK1-6. With that many 'rare' words I wonder if many of these words aren't 错别字 in the electronic copy. So far it doesn't read as particularly difficult, although there is some jargon here and there I guess? Chapter 2: Lingjing spends all day and then most of the night in the hospital with Xiaoya having her baby, and in the process forms a friendship with her. Xiaoya entrusts her with her tasks for the duration of her six-months' parental leave. The three partners debate on making Xiaoya a partner as well, to reward her for her insight on the 蔓越莓 case and to prevent her from being headhunted by another company, but they decide to wait. Lingjing meets with a string of hopeful startup founders (with some really sarcastic commentary in the book about their pitches), then sees the next name on her list and is shocked. We'll hopefully find out why in the next chapter. I don't know where any of this is going yet, but it has a sitcom's sense of quick and slightly mean humour and I like it. Please ask if you'd appreciate a vocab list, now or in the near-ish future, because then I might actually make one. 1 Quote
Geiko Posted June 3, 2020 at 04:32 PM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 04:32 PM 1 hour ago, Lu said: 7 hours ago, roddy said: A few stats from CTA: 146k total characters, 9,000 unique words, 32% of total words and 70% of unique words are *outside* of HSK1-6. With that many 'rare' words I wonder if many of these words aren't 错别字 in the electronic copy. So far it doesn't read as particularly difficult, although there is some jargon here and there I guess? I analysed the text with CTA too and I had a 95% of known words, at first sight I didn't notice any obvious 错别字 ( doesn't mean that there aren't). As far as I see, the most frequent not-so-common characters must be propper names, because they appeared right after a family name (伊舵、冯镁、潘垣、芮辛……). I've added 40+ words to my Pleco flashcards and reached 96% of comprehension, so in a couple of days I'll join you all with the reading of 景恆接. Quote
roddy Posted June 3, 2020 at 05:38 PM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 05:38 PM I haven't spotted any 错别字, but as I've said I'm not 100% on the quality of this file - like I said, it seems to be 25k short for a start. And there will be segmentation issues. But bear in mind the stats I gave are referenced against the HSK lists, which are only 5,000 - not a lot for a novel. And, for example, in the HSK lists you only get 妈 in 妈妈. So every instance of 妈 in 我妈,他妈,大妈。。。 becomes unknown. Similarly quite common terms aren't in the HSK list - 百万, 粉丝, 服务生. 那个人 gets counted as a word, as it's in CEDICT, but it's not in the HSK lists like that, so there's 25 unknown words (I... think?) when perhaps it would be better to regard it as 50 or 75 known words. Etc. So definitely take the statistics with a grain of salt, but I suspect the highness of those numbers is as much to do with the limitations of the HSK lists as a reference point. But they're what we've got. Plug in the old HSK lists, or the HSK 3.0 ones when we get them, and the figures will come down significantly. In retrospect, I should probably have just said 'looks like a fairly easy read', which it does, and not bothered with the numbers. 1 Quote
imron Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:29 PM Report Posted June 3, 2020 at 10:29 PM 7 hours ago, Lu said: With that many 'rare' words I wonder if many of these words aren't 错别字 in the electronic copy. The stats seem consistent with other novels - partly it's due to the issues roddy said about the HSK lists not containing words that CTA will treat as words, but I think the main cause is because HSK lists are general and are designed to cover a broad range of texts and broad range of genres, so it goes broad rather than deep. This is the opposite of most novels, which will be on a specific topic, in a specific genre and go deep rather than broad. Note, one of the main reasons I added the HSK stats was to show just how far off the HSK is from native content. 4 hours ago, roddy said: So definitely take the statistics with a grain of salt, Due to segmentation and other issues, the word statistics should be treated as ballpark level correct, rather than absolutely correct. This still makes them suitable for comparing texts (because any texts you compare will have the same issues), and also for extracting frequently used unknown words (because even with segmentation errors, frequently used words will still float to the top). 2 1 Quote
PerpetualChange Posted June 4, 2020 at 12:16 PM Report Posted June 4, 2020 at 12:16 PM My copy arrives tomorrow. I'm 80% through Sahala Suiyue right now so I should be ready to start this by the middle of the month. I look forward to benefiting from whatever word lists @Lu decides to post Quote
Geiko Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:11 PM Report Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:11 PM On 6/2/2020 at 7:39 PM, Lu said: It's a pretty hefty book, 326 pages in my edition, separated into five parts, which are in turn separated into chapters In the electronic version linked by @roddythere are parts 1 to 3, plus an ending and a 后记 (see photo attached). Is it the same as in the printed version? If not, that would explain why the online version has only 265 pages and 25k less characters. Quote
Lu Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:13 PM Author Report Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:13 PM Yes, it's the same in my printed edition. 1 Quote
Geiko Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:16 PM Report Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:16 PM Then the mystery of those 25k missing characters goes on... ? Quote
roddy Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:31 PM Report Posted June 4, 2020 at 02:31 PM I'll try and figure it out when my copy arrives. Not very hard though. 1 Quote
murrayjames Posted June 5, 2020 at 05:51 AM Report Posted June 5, 2020 at 05:51 AM Currently halfway through Chapter 1. Feels odd seeing words like 微信 and 投资方 in a novel. Most Chinese fiction I’ve read is set in mid 20th century. 2 Quote
Lu Posted June 5, 2020 at 07:46 AM Author Report Posted June 5, 2020 at 07:46 AM 1 hour ago, murrayjames said: Currently halfway through Chapter 1. Feels odd seeing words like 微信 and 投资方 in a novel. My technical double take was when Lingjing says 'hold up, I need to install Weixin first'. She's working for an internet company and didn't have it yet? Then I leafed back and saw that the chapter was explicitly set in 2011, where that would have been pretty normal. 1 Quote
Geiko Posted June 8, 2020 at 08:18 AM Report Posted June 8, 2020 at 08:18 AM How is everybody going with the reading? I finished chapter 3, things are getting more and more interesting! The first pages were a bit confusing for me, with all that business conversations, but in the second chapter I was much more interested, I'm more familiar with what goes on in a delivery room, and also the situation was fun. And then, in the third chapter we find out who the "he" and "she" of the first page are! Spoiler So right after 小雅 has her baby, 灵境 and 钢铁侠 go out to have a drink together and end up in bed. He seems to be married, which worries her, but he says he hasn't seen his wife for a couple of months, without explaining why. We also know the details of that 粉叠 app MJ is working on: it will be an app for fans, to talk about their idols, organise activities, create fan clubs and even write your own fan fiction or have more chances to meet your idol. After taking her maternity leave, 小雅 has given 灵境 a pdf file with a list of more or less famous people. In that list she finds 小潘 , who happens to be her flatmate. He isn't extremely famous, he only participated in a talent show seven years before, but he's handsome and people remember him. At the end of chapter 3 灵境 receives at the office another famous person from that pdf file, 关景恒. I'm very puzzled by him, I had understood the title of the book litteraly as a street name, and now I think I might be wrong. 灵境 seems to have fallen in love with him, as she wonders 说不定有一天, 他会喜欢我. A couple of expressions I had to look up: 十八线艺人: not so famous celebrities, belonging to the "D-list" . 人气高的我们称之为一线明星,人气稍差的称为二线明星,十八线,指不怎么有名气,或者说基本上没有名气。(From Baidu) 猫王: Elvis Presley. Why is Elvis Presley known as Maowang in Chinese? 孽海姐妹花: it seems to be a book, but I can't find much information about it (Baidu). If you find some mistake or misinterpretation in my comment, feel free to tell me! I like to read other people's opinions, because I'm sure I'm missing some things. 2 Quote
Lu Posted June 8, 2020 at 09:44 AM Author Report Posted June 8, 2020 at 09:44 AM I finished chapter 3 but neglected to post about it, thanks for your summary! I read it not so much as Lingjing falling in love with him, but rather that she's completely star-struck. Or maybe both star-struck and smitten. 1 Quote
Geiko Posted June 8, 2020 at 10:19 AM Report Posted June 8, 2020 at 10:19 AM That makes more sense, thank you, Lu! Quote
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