New Members Hitsuji Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:01 PM New Members Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:01 PM Hello I came across this sentence - 苹果是红色的 I know 的 is like a word of possession but I've never seen it used at the end of the sentence. Does it have a different meaning here? Could someone please explain this grammar feature? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singe Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:10 PM I 6 minutes ago, Hitsuji said: 苹果是红色的 You've basically quoted the 是....的 construction which is extremely common. It's used to add emphasis to the part of the statement between the 是....的. In this example 红色. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinoxanu Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:24 PM Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 at 10:24 PM 22 minutes ago, Hitsuji said: but I've never seen it used at the end of the sentence ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungouk Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:55 AM Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:55 AM hi @Hitsuji welcome to the forums. Dive into the Chinese Grammar Wiki — it's a great free resource. https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/The_"shi..._de"_construction_for_emphasizing_details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted January 17, 2021 at 01:45 PM Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 at 01:45 PM I disagree with the previous responses. 红色 is a noun. In order to change it to an adjective, 的 is added afterwards. So a red apple would be 一个红色的苹果. 红色的 doesn't take degrees. Either something is 红色的 or it is not 红色的, so you cannot say 很红色的*. Such non-gradable adjectives are linked to the noun with 是 rather than 很. The result is therefore 苹果是红色的. The 是 and 的 here are different to the 是...的 construction described in the link. (*You can say 很红 however. In this case, you are not contrasting being red against not being red, but rather stating that something is very red. Also, in this situation, you can optionally add 的 to the end of the sentence without a significant change in meaning - thus, 苹果很红的. Furthermore, you can add 是 for emphasis (regardless of the presence or not of 的 at the end) giving 苹果是很红(的).) 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
889 Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:03 PM Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:03 PM Discuss: 东方红。 东方是红的。 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest realmayo Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:33 PM Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:33 PM 中国是出了个毛泽东的? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
889 Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:39 PM Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 at 03:39 PM 是的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhavemann Posted January 18, 2021 at 01:34 AM Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 at 01:34 AM I think of it this way to help it make sense: 苹果是红色的 = 苹果是红色的[水果] apples are [a] red [fruit] I've been told not to think of it like this, but my mind decodes it that way anyway. The possessive sense of 的 somehow feels a little less far away like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnergyReaper Posted January 18, 2021 at 04:28 AM Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 at 04:28 AM Another example for 的 at the end of a sentence: A: 你头上的伤口哪来的? B: 昨天被人打的。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singe Posted January 18, 2021 at 06:43 AM Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 at 06:43 AM 16 hours ago, anonymoose said: I disagree with the previous responses. 红色 is a noun. In order to change it to an adjective, 的 is added afterwards. So a red apple would be 一个红色的苹果. 红色的 doesn't take degrees. Either something is 红色的 or it is not 红色的, so you cannot say 很红色的*. Such non-gradable adjectives are linked to the noun with 是 rather than 很. The result is therefore 苹果是红色的. The 是 and 的 here are different to the 是...的 construction described in the link. On reflection I agree with you. I suppose in the instance the opening post quoted, the 是 and the 的 are used as a way of attaching an attribute and isn't a typical 是....的 construction. 16 hours ago, anonymoose said: Either something is 红色的 or it is not 红色的, so you cannot say 很红色的 Reminds me of the very famous Blackadder scene below - they don't make comedy as well as they used to; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHWF50pXkEw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnergyReaper Posted January 18, 2021 at 08:36 AM Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 at 08:36 AM Recommend the section "Used with Distinguishing Words" in another link: https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/The_%22shi..._de%22_patterns:_an_overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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