wushijiao Posted September 25, 2005 at 04:40 AM Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 at 04:40 AM I think this will be the book of the month. I've read the first few chapters, and have been laughing out loud at several parts. I don't know if the whole book will stay interesting, but the main character's father died because the perve was trying to get a peak at naked women in an outhouse, and then accidentally fell into the cesspool of piss and shit, drowning to death. That's a good way to open a book, if you ask me. I'll put up a main character list somewhat soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted September 29, 2005 at 11:21 AM Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 at 11:21 AM Here is a brief list of characters. I feel like I can't give away too much about their relaionships because that would kind of ruin the plot. 李光(李光头) -The main character. -As an adult, we learn on the first page that he grows up to be a muli-millionaire. -As a kid, he is clever and audacious beyond his age. Many Chinese kids are awkward and shy, but he is by no means one of them. 宋钢 -李光's "brother". -One year older than Li. 赵胜利(赵诗人) -A local boy, older than Li. His nickname (绰号) derives from the fact that one of his poems was published in the local paper, of which he is very proud. 刘成功(刘作家) -A local boy, older than Li. His nickname (绰号) derives from the fact that one of his short stories was published in the local paper, of which he is very proud. 李兰 -Li's mother. -Very ashamed of her situation. -Keeps her head down low. - Loves to say, as does the whole town, " 有其父必有其子啊" (Like father like son) 宋凡平 -Father of 宋钢. -His wife dies early. -He's a big, burly, strong, athletic man. -He's a teacher, and very good-natured. 林红 -The town (刘镇)'s #1 beauty (美女) -Has a beautiful, sexy ass (I didn't write the book ). Yu Hua on the back cover of the book mentions that the China of 40 years ago mirrors medieval Europe, while the China of today more closely mirrors modern Europe. The average Chinese person has lived through various eras in one lifetime. This book focuses on the era of cruelty, ignorance, and state-sponsored barbarity- the Cultural Revolution. So far, at times I've laughed a lot. At times I've had to put the book down because of strong desires to kick the crap out of certain characters. Anyone else reading it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted September 29, 2005 at 11:45 AM Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 at 11:45 AM I am going to read it, but considering the level of my Chinese, this is going to be more of a "Book of the End of the Year" kind of project... Rest assured, though, that your posts are warmly welcomed, they are certainly gonna be a great help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted September 29, 2005 at 01:00 PM Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 at 01:00 PM I am going to read it, but considering the level of my Chinese, this is going to be more of a "Book of the End of the Year" kind of project... Well, that's great gougou! There's no reason why this can't be a "book of the year" project! If for no other reason, almost every word or idiom in the book is useful in modern Putonghua, so you're losing nothing by trying to read it. I'll post a vocab list tomorrow that might be of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted September 29, 2005 at 02:02 PM Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 at 02:02 PM I'll post a vocab list tomorrow that might be of use.Great, looking forward to that. Thanks a lot for the time you're investing!And if you'll manage to remember the story over the next few months, I'm sure we can have some interesting discussions about the book some time next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted October 2, 2005 at 02:13 AM Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 at 02:13 AM Here are some words that I’ve found from the Yu Hua’s “Brothers”. Many of these words have several meanings, but I’ve tried to give the meaning as it is in the book. Some words are necessary for understanding the book’s plot, while other are simply nice to know. I’ll highlight the ones that I think are necessary. I'm sorry for any errors. 挨 ai2, to suffer, such as 挨打 to get a beating 刮目相看 gua1mu4xiang1kan4, treat a person with new respect, look at someone with new eyes 讲究 jiang3jiu pay attention to: stress 木然 mu4ran2 stupefied 挪 nuo2 move, shift 坦白 tan3bai2 1-gueiless 2-own up to (one’s mistakes) 坦白从容, 抗拒从严 leniency to those who confess and severity to those who refuse to be sincere with their remarks 襁褓 qiang3bao3, baby’s clothes, swaddling clothes 淹死 yan1si3 die of drowning生擒活捉 sheng1qin2huo2zhuo1, capture alive, take a prisoner 绯闻 fei1wen2, sex scandal 怦 peng1 (onomatopoeia) beat (of a heart) 撩拨 (liao2bo1) provoke, tease, incite伸张 shen1zhang1 uphold, promote (of abstract ideas) 眉飞色舞 mei2fei1se4wu3 enraptured, exultant 绰号 chuo4hao4, nickname 耀武扬威 yao4wu3yang2wei1, make a show of strength and swagger around 蠕动 ru2dong4, wriggle like a worm 吱 zhi1 , ( onomatopoeia) creak 瑟瑟 se4se4 1-(of wind) rustling 2- (of people) trembling 铺子 pu4zi, shop, store 屌 diao3 offensive term for the penis 殡车bin4che1, hearse 驮 tuo2 carry or bear on the back (usually referring to animals, like donkeys) 魁梧 kui2wu2, tall and strong, big and burly 熙熙攘攘 xi1xi1rang3rang3, bustling with activity 撬 qiao4 pry, jimmy 扫荡腿 sao3dang4tui3, a game in which a person low to the ground swings his leg around and tries to kick a person to the ground 揍 zou4, beat, strike战战兢兢 zhan4zhan4jing1jing1, trembling with fear and trepidation 横七竖八 heng2qi1shu4ba1, disorder 横溢 heng2yi4 (of talent) exuberant, brimming, overflowing 憧惊 chong1jing3 yearn for, long for 红彤彤 hong2tong1tong1, glowing, bright red 阳痿 yang2wei3, impotence 蹦蹦跳跳 beng4beng4taio4tiao4, jumping, prancing 荡漾 dang4yang4, ripple 趴 pa1 lie facing down 拖油瓶, if a women marries a man but already has a kid, this would be the deragotory word they would use to refer to the kid 红袖章- a word for Red Guards (also 红卫兵) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoH Posted October 2, 2005 at 08:57 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 at 08:57 AM Sounds like a good book. Is this it? I'm a bit confused as the link to this page says 'xiong di 17'... http://book.sina.com.cn/nzt/lit/brothers/1.shtml thanks for the vocab and stuff by the way, Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted October 2, 2005 at 11:52 AM Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 at 11:52 AM No, that's not the beginning. This one seems to be complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted October 4, 2005 at 04:52 AM Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 at 04:52 AM Quick vocab question: what does 独领风骚 mean? It figures in none of my dictionaries, but gets a lot of hits in search engines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_lab Posted October 4, 2005 at 08:33 AM Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 at 08:33 AM I wrote a lukewarm review of Yu Hua's "To Live." I enjoyed reading it, but it was a little too tragic for my tastes. Only read it if you're prepared for major spoilers. A little off topic, but I thought a few people might be interested. http://taiwanonymous.blogspot.com/2005/10/book-review-to-live.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted October 4, 2005 at 09:20 AM Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 at 09:20 AM Cool in_lab, but it seems that your blog doesn't seem to come up from the Mainland (or is it just me)? As far as 独领风骚, I'd guess that that means "very outstanding/ more outstanding or excellent than others or other works of art" or something like that. Well, I just finished the book, and I would say that it's good and worth reading. However, the books' main the theme is, perhaps, exploring cruel and wonton violence. So, although I had felt that Hollywood had desensitized me good and proper to all forms of violence, I still had to put the book down at times because I couldn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougou Posted October 4, 2005 at 09:38 AM Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 at 09:38 AM I also couldn't open the blog; it works through a proxy, though. Well, I just finished the bookWow, I'm on page 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted October 4, 2005 at 03:21 PM Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 at 03:21 PM I'm going to have a shot at this one, but I'm not promising i'll finish it. I have a miserable record with Chinese books as it is and gave up on 活着. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_lab Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:50 AM Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:50 AM Yeah, I forgot blogger.com is blocked in China. If you want I can post it here. Wushijiao, did you like Xiongdi well enough to want to read the second half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wushijiao Posted October 5, 2005 at 01:44 AM Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 at 01:44 AM Well, I did like it well enough to finish it. I don't know. I guess at times I felt the book was predictable, melodramatic, sentimental, and too full of tears and crying. Yet at other times I felt that the book had clever plot twists, accurately reflected the thin and gnawed social fabric during the Cultural Revolution, and was genius in its simplicity and sarcasm. So, whether one gets like the former impression or the latter impression probably depends on if one gets emotionally pulled into a certain scene. In any case, it seems dangdang is selling the book for 5 kuai. Anyway in_lab, I think it'd be good if you could post your review of Huozhe here. I'm sure many people who are interested in Xiongdi and Yu Hua are also interested in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted October 5, 2005 at 02:39 AM Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 at 02:39 AM As you've said it's got major spoilers, perhaps you can post it as a new topic, and then mark it clearly in the title as containing spoilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roddy Posted October 9, 2005 at 02:10 PM Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 at 02:10 PM Spent a bit of time with this the last couple of days, and am about a quarter of the way through - just got to where the mum and stepdad have moved in together and the kids have had their first encounter with the big white rabbit. I can't say I'm loving it, but it's ok - I prefer the sections where Li Guangtou is still a kid I think, as the parts where he's a teenager so far don't seem to go beyond trying to say 屁股 as many times as possible, which was funny for a while but is wearing thin now. I suspect in my final analysis I'll agree with 50 cents that it depends if you get pulled into the emotion of a scene, and as it's very rare that I do I doubt I'm going to really enjoy the book - it does happen sometimes, but it hasn't so far with this book, and it didn't happen with 活着 either. Language wise, it's pretty simple - I'm underlining stuff I'm not sure about, and there's quite a lot because I'm being strict and underlining words I know the meaning of but don't know the pinyin, but comprehension is rarely a problem. I think they only thing I had to stop and look up was 拖油瓶 - the first time I read it I thought it meant the two kids were following the cart carrying big bottles of oil, but when it came up again a few sentences later I realised I was, yet again, kidding myself . . . Roddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vengaya Posted November 3, 2005 at 09:41 AM Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 at 09:41 AM Well well... some people are getting quite excited about this book, reason enough to give it a shot. Why not? Though in my case, and considering my current Chinese knowledge... more than Book of the Month, or Book of the Year, I'm afraid it's gonna be "Book of the Beijing Olympics". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted February 11, 2006 at 03:10 PM Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 at 03:10 PM I was not interested in this book until I saw the Taiwan version and its cover said, "媲美《美麗人生》的感人故事". Aha ... that makes it so much more interesting. Now I think I just might read it ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylee Posted February 11, 2006 at 04:27 PM Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 at 04:27 PM I have found an on-line version -> http://www.radiohead.cn/blog/post/brother.html Could anyone advise me how complete it is? (as some chapters are pretty short.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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