Guest realmayo Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:02 AM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:02 AM The novel 《秘书长》 was written in 2007 by 洪放 and is the first in a trilogy about the inner workings of the leadership of a fictional city called Nanzhou, mainly from the view of an official called 程一路, who is Nanzhou's 秘书长。 I don't think the book is seen as particularly controversial, but perhaps fed an appetite for people who wanted to know a bit more about local government. Presumbaly some of it is a bit out of date by now. I'm re-reading the trilogy now and found it useful to dig out and add to a 'cast list' that I put together to help me remember who is who. @phills mentioned he/she was going to read the first book and might find the list interesting, so I'll paste it below. It goes to around halfway or more through the first book. I think the novel is fairly straightforward in terms of language, except for the fact that - naturally - it's full of references to government positions and committees. I'm not mega-interested in how Chinese government works, particularly below the national level, but it's nice to have an idea. However previously just reading stuff on wikipedia didn't make too much sense, it was all a bit abstract. 书记 and 秘书 might both get translated as "secretary" but they are very different jobs! With these roles attatched to characters and personalities in a novel, it all starts to tie together. I couldn't actually find a single resource online that spelled out how all the committees and different government posts work - I got lost in endless wikipedia clicks. So I tried to piece it together myself from what I could find online. I've gone through it again just now and turned it into something others might find useful - although with the warning that much of it could be very wrong indeed (and I would certainly welcome corrections, whether about details or where i've got the general idea wrong as well). And I should say I have no idea if the novel itself is an accurate or fair depiction of how any of this stuff works! Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:06 AM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:06 AM Cast list These are not necessarily the official way of describing job titles, but often the description as copied/pasted from the text of the novel. If it doesn’t mention the place, it’s Nanzhou (i.e. “Mayor” = “Mayor of Nanzhou”). 常振兴 Cháng Zhènxīng 副书记分管组织 陈阳 Chén Yáng 秘书 程飞跃 Chéng Fēiyuè (see 二扣子 Èr Kòuzi) 程一路 Chéng Yīlù 市委秘书长 (市委常委会) Father was pro-revolutionary, hometown 湖西县 although moved to (and CYL grew up in) 南州 迟雨田 Chí Yǔtián 人大常务副主任 (on the 市委常委会 as a non-voting delegate) 二扣子 Èr Kòuzi Technically CYL’s nephew (侄) and calls CYL 叔 Real name 程飞跃. Engineer for highway 方浩然 Fāng Hàorán 政协主席 (on the 市委常委会 as a non-voting delegate) 方良华 Fāng Liánghuá 桐山县的县委书记 Left the RMB10k card early on in the book. 方子鱼 Fáng Zǐyú 省文化厅的副厅长 Formerly 挂职, wants to keep some of the old town. 冯军 Féng Jūn 仁义县的书记 A 战友 of CYL, a bit closer than 刘卓照, when CYL was 团长, 冯军 was 政委. Figures he’s on his last chance to get to the 常委 顾成民 Gù Chéngmín 开发区的主任 郭雷 Guō Léi Works at 湖海山庄 高主任 Gāo zhuren 省委政策研究室 ... 来南州调研民营企业发展 胡长松 Hú Chángsōng 双规!! Was 省交通厅的厅长 胡平 Hú Píng 香港大中集团的总经理 黄成中 Huáng Chéngzhōng 香港大中集团的主席 黄川 Huáng Chuān 财政局长 简韵 Jiǎn Yùn TV journalist 蒋和川 Jiǎng Héchuān 南日的老总 李明 Lǐ Míng 办公室的副主任 李仁 Lǐ Rén 建设局的局长 (one of those that met quietly with 张敏钊) 林晓山 Lín Xiǎoshān 省委的副秘书长 (ex-挂职) Formerly: 南州挂职任副书记, had a big role to play in the 南日集团. 刘安生 Liú Ānshēng 省委宣传部副部长 (ex-挂职) Formerly 南州挂职任副书记 (after 林晓山) 刘军 Liú __? 军分区的政委 (on the 市委常委会) 刘卓照 Liú Zhuózhào 湖东县的书记 A 战友 of CYL 鲁胡生 Lǔ Húshēng 南日的副总 Old comrade, friend, from CYL army days, actually a 老部下. 鲁小宝 Lǔ Xiǎobǎo 村支书 (桐山县的青树村) 马洪涛 Mǎ Hóngtāo 市委政研室主任 (市委常委会) 马怀民 Mǎ Huáimín 仁义县的县长 明心 Míng Xīn 大和尚 莫__ Mò __ Hs is a 处长, the 带队 of the 省人事厅 齐鸣 Qí Míng 省发改委的齐鸣主任 (ex-挂职) Formerly: 来挂职做副书记 Unsuccessful candidate for 副省长 钱昊 Qián Hào 湖西县 县委书记 Got ticked off for drinking at lunchtime 乔小阳 Qiáo Xiǎoyáng 省委组织部副部长 Leading the inspection team from the province about promotions etc 秋浩月 Qiū Hàomíng 省委常委、组织部长 (女) 任怀航 Rén Huáiháng 市委书记 (市委常委会) 孙前进 Sūn Qiánjìn 国土局局长 (one of those that met quietly with 张敏钊) 王传珠 Wáng Chuánzhū 市委副秘书长 王浩 Wáng Hào 副书记 (市委常委会) In charge of economic matters 王平原 Wáng Píngyuán 人事局的局长 王士达 Wáng Shìdá 市长 (市委常委会) 汪卫 Wāng Wèi 宣传部长 王志满 Wáng Zhìmán 公安局的副局长 吴兰兰 Wú Lánlán 总理 of some sort at a big Beijing (?) company. Former gf. of CYL. Father was CYL’s 老首长. Divorced from 高岩. 吴太平 Wú Táipíng 市建委副主任 Works at construction dept, was readied for job as 市建委副主任. Early on his promotion is blocked because of politicking by Wang 向倩 Xiàng Qiàn Accountant, in car 徐成 Xú Chéng 组织部长 徐硕峰 Xú Shuòfēng 市政府常务副市长 (Has already served two full terms, CYL hopes for this job.) 叶峰 Yè Fēng 省委叶书记的侄子 叶开 Yè Kāi CYL’s driver 叶小兵 Yè Xiǎobīng 工商局的副局长 Does the ‘spying’ on officials 叶正明 Yè Zhèngmíng 省委书记 徐真 Yú Zhēn (F) 南州挂职的省妇联 , 副书记 阎丽丽 Yán Lìlì 湖海山庄的总经理 (女) 张风 Zhāng Fēng 建委下属的工程局的局长 Crew cut, HK gangster-style, gave a 500Y card. 张敏钊 Zhāng Mǐnzhāo 副省长 Formerly 南州市委书记. Uncle of CYL’s wife 张晓玉 Zhāng Xiǎoyù WIFE of CYL 张宜学 Zhāng Yíxuě 市政府秘书长 周守一 Zhōu Shǒuyī 公安局长 (one of those that met quietly with 张敏钊) 朱潇峻 Zhū Xiāojùn 湖西县 县长 (?) Got ticked off for drinking at lunchtime. Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:09 AM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:09 AM PLACES 南洲 A fictional city/municipality, Nánzhōu has 4m people and is located between the mid and lower Yangtse valley. It belongs to the fictional province 江南省. 南洲 has four counties I think: 仁义县 Rényì County Its secretary is 冯军, a close 战友 of CYL. Poor county, it’s a 山区县. Mining. Although poor, it topped the latest list for rate of economic growth. 湖东县 Húdōng County Its secretary is 刘卓照, another 战友 of CYL. Tops the list for gross economic achievement. 湖西县 Húxī County. Secretary is 钱昊. Economically, not much better than 仁义县. It’s CYL’s hometown, though his father moved the family to Nanzhou. 桐山县 Tóngshān County Secretary is 方良华. Also mentioned is a 村 belonging 桐山县, called 青树村. OTHER 南日集团 Nánrì Group 南州最大的民营企业 湖海山庄 Kind of hotel/guesthouse used mainly by the government, luxurious on the inside (lake etc) Its boss is 阎丽丽. 金大地 五星级的金大地酒店 Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:11 AM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:11 AM Key people at start: 程一路 Chéng Yīlù Nanzhou’s 秘书长 (abbrev. CYL) 任怀航 Rén Huáiháng Nanzhou’s Party Secretary 王士达 Wáng Shìdá Nanzhou’s mayor 张晓玉 Zhāng Xiǎoyù CYL’s wife 张敏钊 Zhāng Mǐnzhāo Uncle of CYL’s wife; deputy provincial governor 叶开 Yè Kāi CYL’s driver Early on we’re introduced to 林晓山 and 齐鸣 who are now at the provincial level but previously worked in Nanzhou on a 挂职 basis: 挂职 is where officials are sent to serve at a lower level unit for a period of time in order to build up experience before returning to their original place on the ladder or higher. 林晓山 Lín Xiǎoshān Provincial deputy 秘书长, previously Nanzhou’s deputy secretary. 齐鸣 Qí Míng Head of the provincial 发改 committee, previously Nanzhou’s deputy secretary. 秘书长 The lead character in 《秘书长》is called 程一路 and he is a 秘书长 in a fictional municipality. 秘书长 is a party-level role. In short, as I understand it, it’s the dogsbody role on the standing committee, doing lots of day-to-day small jobs for everyone else. Perhaps more of a conduit between the Party leadership on the committee and people lower down who aren't on the committee. 秘书 means “secretary”, but in an every-day sense. Mustn’t be confused with 书记, also translated as “secretary”, but who runs a Party committee. I guess there will be lots of lowly 秘书s in any government structure, but the 秘书长 is the most important of them (he’s a 长). 秘书长 gets translated confusingly as “secretary-general”. Yes he’s the main clerk! But in, say, the United Nations, the “secretary-general” is the top guy. 秘书长 is not the top guy…. Also the very top guy in China is the 总书记, translated as “general secretary”…. I suppose 秘书长 could be translated as Senior Clerk? But in my mind I just think of it as mìshūzhǎng. Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:43 AM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 09:43 AM [Take the following with a big pinch of salt] In theory at every level of Chinese government there is a parallel split between the 党 and政, between the Party (党) and the ‘State’ (政). The Party decides policy and the State executes it. The 党 operates through committees, headed by a Secretary. The 政 operates though jobs that sound more familiar in English translation, such as Premier, Governor, Mayor. Although in theory they operate in parallel, in practice the holder of the top 党 job is senior to the holder of the top 政 job of the same level. For example Chairman of the party versus Premier of the country. And so on, all the way down. In the word 党政, the 党 comes before the 政. So at each level of government it’s the party committee that’s key. And the secretary of that committee is the main guy. But it’s not a completely clean break between 党 and 政: whoever has the top 政 job will typically also hold the number two job (e.g. deputy-secretary) in the 党 committee, where he is subordinate only to the secretary of that committee. Administrative levels The rough sequence below National level is Provincial -> Municipal -> County -> Township. Provincial: 省 Municipal: 市 County: 县 Township: 乡 (I guess then it’s 村?) And the principles generally apply throughout: the various committees (委) are 省委、市委、县委、乡委. Those committees’ secretaries (书记) are 省委书记、市委书记、县委书记、乡委书记. On the ‘政-side’ the top jobs all have a 长, so: 省长 (Governor)、市长 (‘Mayor’)、县长、乡长. Municipalities: 地级市 (shortened to 市) I had lots of trouble working out what a municipality is! And this is where most of the action in《秘书长》takes place. Official Chinese sources seem to translate 地级市 as “municipality”. The most accurate translation, word-for-word, of 地级市 is “regional-level municipality”. English-language sources like Wikipedia call them prefectures or prefecture-level municipalities. A 地级市 is a region “地” and its main city “市” that have been brought together to form an administrative entity. There are 293 of them: most cities you can think of in China (but not Beijing or Shanghai) are likely to be the city in a 地级市. They seem to take the name of their main city. So when you say “I’m just driving into Suzhou now” you’re probably referring to the city called Suzhou. But there is also a municipality called Suzhou, and it’s made up of both the city Suzhou and the surrounding area. So most of a Chinese municipality could in fact be very rural. A municipality is split into counties (县) and/or districts (区). They are below the municipality in the leadership hierarchy. Government/control of a municipality The Party runs the municipality though the Party committee. Municipality is 市 Committee is 委员会 Municipal Party Committee is 市委员会, i.e. 市 + 委员会. But it’s usually abbreviated to 市委. So: 市委 shì-wěi n. municipal Party committee The committee is headed by a secretary. Secretary is 书记. So: 市委书记 is the municipal Party secretary, i.e. the most important person in the municipality. On the ‘政-side’ in a municipality, the highest position is the 长 of the 市, so: 市长 shìzhǎng n. mayor. By convention whoever is 市长 will simultaneously be deputy secretary of the municipality Party committee too (there may be more than one deputy secretary though). 市委副书记 = 市委 (municipality+committee) + 副 (deputy) + 书记 (secretary). Committees These committees are themselves run by their “standing committees” where the real decisions are taken. I’m not sure if people distinguish much between the two in real life: obviously the secretary of the overall committee is also secretary of the standing committee too, etc etc. The ‘standing’ basically means permanent (as opposed to a committee that’s set up to organise one particular thing and later disbands). (常务gets translated in dictionaries as “day-to-day business; routine”, but here the 常perhaps comes from 常设 chángshè attr. standing; permanent.) They seem to have around 10 to 12 members. 常务委员会 chángwù wěiyuánhuì n. standing committee 常委会 chángwěihuì = the standard abbreviation for standing committee 常委 cháng-wěi = n. member of standing committee So, a municipal committee standing committee member would be a 市委常委 Quote
889 Posted September 11, 2021 at 07:21 PM Report Posted September 11, 2021 at 07:21 PM What a great resource! Since the 秘书长 is responsible for passing on orders and following up, doesn't he in fact have a lot of power? Also, Chongqing and Tianjin are, like Beijing and Shanghai, provincial-level municipalities. Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 12, 2021 at 07:27 AM Report Posted September 12, 2021 at 07:27 AM On 9/11/2021 at 8:21 PM, 889 said: Since the 秘书长 is responsible for passing on orders and following up, doesn't he in fact have a lot of power? He certainly has proximity to power - he sees more of the Party secretary than anyone else, and much of what's going on behind the scenes. The character often complains that people outside the inner circle overestimate how much power he has. But yes, he appears to have lots of discretion about how he handles the stuff he's told to handle, and the book would be rather less interesting were that not the case! Quote
phills Posted September 12, 2021 at 05:29 PM Report Posted September 12, 2021 at 05:29 PM @realmayo Thanks for the wordlist ! I just started reading it, and being able to consult the Key People at the Start is quite helpful. Right now I'm still kind of lost because I find it hard to picture any of the people in head. Except for 程一路, the protagonist (Mr One Straight Way?), the rest of them are all faceless bureaucrat / politicians. Compared to 圈子圈套, I don't have any reference points for what any of these people care about (except maybe their own promotion or their budgets 争项目). The language isn't too tough though, so I'm sure the picture will start filling in, as I continue onwards. Again much appreciated. Quote
phills Posted September 14, 2021 at 06:12 AM Report Posted September 14, 2021 at 06:12 AM I got a bit further in (chapter 8). Chapter 1 starts off kind of dry, but it gets interesting once they introduce you to his wife, so you see some personal interactions of 程一路, our protagonist. Then in Chapter 3, the envelopes 信封 and VIP cards 贵宾卡 start flying, and Chapter 4 starts with an internal investigations, with hidden cameras and all. Accompanied by very persistent complaints by 老百姓, you start seeing the life of a 秘书长, beyond HR gossip & ass-kissing which can happen in any organization. On 9/12/2021 at 3:21 AM, 889 said: Since the 秘书长 is responsible for passing on orders and following up, doesn't he in fact have a lot of power? He's in charge of running the investigations / discipline process that they start on lower ranked govt officials, so that automatically makes him powerful. He doesn't get to decide much policy though. So far, it reminds me of the House of Cards tv show (UK version). 程一路 is a bit like Francis Urquhart, except I doubt the author will turn him evil. Urquhart's famous line supposedly represents canny UK govt secretaries. When talking to the press, he often says: "You may very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment". 程一路's equivalent seems to be, when responding to unreasonable outbursts by superiors & colleagues: "最好的办法就是听而不答". ... Also, there's way more drinking and dancing then I would have guessed before I started. In 8 chapters, they've already had 3 drinking banquets and 2 dance parties. Quote
phills Posted September 17, 2021 at 08:02 PM Report Posted September 17, 2021 at 08:02 PM I'm a bit further in (about 2/3rds thru), and it seems my initial impression is wrong. CYL is not like Urquhart at all. He's masterful at dealing with the smaller things, but when the bigger fish get caught in the net, he's as clueless as the rest of staff. He then becomes of an observer rather than an actor. Although it doesn't seem like he's in much personal danger, he does get tossed around by the political waves. It's fun to watch him try to figure out what's going on. I have no idea yet how things will resolve themselves, since I can't rely on western tropes. I already thought there was going to be some sort of affair with 吴兰兰, but the story didn't go that direction. Plus the uncle-in-law development caught me off guard. Quote
phills Posted September 22, 2021 at 06:15 AM Report Posted September 22, 2021 at 06:15 AM I finished it! The last third is like watching a person carefully setting up dominoes and then finally setting it off. All fall down. Between 调整, 换届, 调查 and 双规, you feel the pressure and uncertainty as even if they're safe, they don't know who else is safe, which means their ally network is de-stabilized, and they don't want offend anyone or to 闹事 or become 牵涉. Overall the book is pretty interesting, and gives me a picture into a world I know little about (govt & politics of local cadres). One mild complaint about it is that it can be a bit dry, because CYL is the main point of view character. He plays the role of an observer, and he's clean, well-respected and safe. He's a stoic, so he doesn't express too many emotions, and he keeps his head down. The story would be more interesting if you could read a few chapters from the perspective of one of the other people, someone who is more hot-headed or is in trouble. On the other hand, I liked that I wasn't familiar with the style of Chinese political novels, so the story didn't march along the narrative conventions I expected. There weren't huge plot twists, but the guys I predicted who would be the good guys and the bad guys were mostly wrong, or missed the point. So I wanted to keep reading to see how things would turn out. Finally, you get vocab in political & govt domain, and lots of practice parsing that language. I feel I can read news articles better now; I no longer balk at the long titles, where you see 委, 长, 会 and 组 4 times in 6 characters, or 2 govt groups that have long names that seem similar & overlapping. Overall, the language isn't too difficult to understand, once you get the hang of the jargon, and the pattern of their speech / activities. @realmayo's guide above helped a lot. I expect to come back to part 2 after a few other books in the pipeline. 1 Quote
Guest realmayo Posted September 22, 2021 at 09:12 AM Report Posted September 22, 2021 at 09:12 AM Glad you thought it was worthwhile. On 9/22/2021 at 7:15 AM, phills said: I no longer balk at the long titles, where you see 委, 长, 会 and 组 4 times in 6 characters, or 2 govt groups that have long names that seem similar & overlapping. Definitely. Bet you now know all you need to about 樟树 too! Quote
phills Posted September 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM Report Posted September 22, 2021 at 12:43 PM I had to look up a picture on wikipedia. Ah 清香的樟树, 绿色的叶子, 在风中飘动... (my attempt at waxing poetic by mimicking the author's descriptions and I'm not even sure I got it grammatically correct ) Quote
Publius Posted November 10, 2021 at 05:00 AM Report Posted November 10, 2021 at 05:00 AM On 9/11/2021 at 5:11 PM, realmayo said: 秘书 means “secretary”, but in an every-day sense. Mustn’t be confused with 书记, also translated as “secretary”, but who runs a Party committee. I guess there will be lots of lowly 秘书s in any government structure, but the 秘书长 is the most important of them (he’s a 长). 秘书长 gets translated confusingly as “secretary-general”. Yes he’s the main clerk! But in, say, the United Nations, the “secretary-general” is the top guy. 秘书长 is not the top guy…. Also the very top guy in China is the 总书记, translated as “general secretary”…. Lol you know what I'm visualizing? - I am the permanent undersecretary of state known as the permanent secretary. He is your principal private secretary. I too have a principal private secretary. Directly responsible to me are 10 deputy secretaries, 87 underscretaries, and 219 assistant secretaries. Directly responsible to the principal private secretaries are plain private secretaries.... - Can they all type? - None of us can type. Mrs. McKay types. She's the secretary. 1 Quote
Guest realmayo Posted November 10, 2021 at 10:21 AM Report Posted November 10, 2021 at 10:21 AM Yes, Publius. Presumably secretaries did do the typing pre-Party? A quick look through wikipedia suggests 部长s were previously the people who had the power, took the decisions. Quote
Publius Posted November 10, 2021 at 12:55 PM Report Posted November 10, 2021 at 12:55 PM It's really complicated. We know the Party runs everything so we'll just focus on this side. The Party has many branches. Some are called 部 headed by 部长, for example, 宣传部 in charge of the propaganda machine, 组织部 in charge of personnel decisions. But there are also 委 headed by 书记, for example, 政法委 in charge of the police, court, and prison system, 纪检委 the disciplinary committee. These 委 are parallel to 党委. Unlike the 部长 who are directly answerable to 党委书记, they theoretically do not answer to the party secretary of the same level, but to their own superiors in the upper level committee (municipal->provincial->central). These 书记 sit on the standing committee of the Party committee of the same level. 秘书长 is kind of like an emcee and a factotum who must also be a sitting member of the standing committee. Due to its proximity to the power center and decision making process, 秘书长 is quite important a position and also a likely stepping stone towards future leadership. Just take a look at the names of 中共中央秘书长 in the past. There's a huge difference between 秘书长 and 秘书, which is summarized in a rather vulgar way: 秘书不带长,放屁都不响. Although 秘书 in this sense is more Bernard the private secretary than Mrs McKay the secretary, he's still not Sir Humphrey the permanent secretary. Of course originally 秘书 were secretaries who did the typing, and 书记 were scribes who did the scribing. But not anymore. Quote
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