alantin Posted January 29, 2022 at 06:03 PM Author Report Posted January 29, 2022 at 06:03 PM On 1/29/2022 at 4:43 PM, Woodford said: Well, how I wish that were true! I'm starting slowly, with a single 1-hour session each week, and I think I'll build up to 2 times, then 3, then maybe even 4 (probably with different teachers, just to get some variety). Haha! Then don't worry about it! ? It'll take a while. And just like reading I guess, those sessions with tutors may need warming up. I remember being really exhausted after each tutoring session when I began. 1 Quote
alantin Posted January 29, 2022 at 11:38 PM Author Report Posted January 29, 2022 at 11:38 PM Small victories here too. I just passed 100 cpm today with WoT for the first time. I read the third chapter of the second book at 104 cpm average speed in 2 hours and 20 minutes. My character count this year with WoT is about 152 000. 2 Quote
malazann Posted March 14, 2022 at 07:57 AM Report Posted March 14, 2022 at 07:57 AM Abstract Goal - Be able to say "I can speak Chinese" with some level confidence. A.K.A reaching B1 Level Specific 1. 6k words in passive vocab (@~2.5-3k right now) 2. 200 hours of conversation practice - 5 hours of live listening & speaking practice a week (2x online tutor, 1x online group, 2h irl) 3. pass HSK 4 and work towards 5 42 Weeks left! Lets get it! Quote
calibre2001 Posted March 15, 2022 at 02:43 AM Report Posted March 15, 2022 at 02:43 AM Specific 2022 Goals: -Become comfortable in using Cangjie input method -Read more in Bopomofo symbols -Listen to more mainland china tv shows especially northern accent -Dabble more in reading entry level classical Chinese material -Muster up more confidence in speaking mandarin to Taiwanese in-laws once Taiwan borders reopen -Continue to speak mandarin on a daily basis & pick up new words/expressions from wife, TV shows, FB postings in Chinese -Pick up more daily Minnan words/expressions (not master speaking it) -Use Cantonese more often whenever the occasion rises instead of falling back to Mandarin Quote
Popular Post Woodford Posted April 15, 2022 at 07:42 PM Popular Post Report Posted April 15, 2022 at 07:42 PM It looks like we're already a quarter of the way through the year! I've covered a lot of ground in terms of reading (around 1400 pages so far this calendar year). I told myself that in my third year of reading Chinese novels, I would read more than the first two years combined. I started reading in September 2019, so if I count from that month, I've already accomplished my goal for 2021-2022. I'm on my 23rd book now. Being the statistical nerd that I am, I plotted out my progress in Microsoft Excel using a trend line, setting predictions and goals for myself. I think I would like to continue to read until I've amassed 30-35 books and I really feel like things are taking off. My frequency of unknown vocabulary words per page is steadily plummeting. Some books are harder and some are easier, but I average one unknown word on every two pages of a book these days (i.e., 0.5 words per page). Not too bad. I took 5 lessons with an iTalki tutor, and it got derailed in March because of family and financial issues I had to sort out. I would really like to get back to that, perhaps with an even greater intensity than before, but it's really hard inserting new things into my routine when I'm out of the habit. I just have to kick myself and force myself to do it, at least by this summer. I really liked the guy I had as a tutor, and I feel a bit bad for him. He quit his tutoring job to get a "996" job in Beijing, but he couldn't tolerate it, so now he's back to teaching, trying to regather all his old students that he lost. My talks with him never got too personal, but I think he lives on a very narrow margin, financially. I would like to help him out by buying more lessons. My listening practice isn't quite as intentional or consistent as it used to be, but I do enjoy casually watching a couple YouTube videos every day, and listening to Chinese podcasts in the background. I'm definitely starting to understand more and more, and all my intense reading practice is only helping me with that. Reading really helps me pick up the contours and the vocabulary of the language so that I am then well-equipped to understand it when it's spoken. Although he's by no means an expert on Chinese (he's pretty good), I've adapted Steve Kaufmann's strategy for learning a language. Get good at reading, then get good at listening, then get good at speaking. Within a year, I think I'll shift my emphasis forward--read less and listen more, while speaking intermittently with my tutor. On a marginally related note, I have been going strong with learning German, which is of course a much different experience from learning Chinese. The complexity of the grammar is much greater. Because I'm using Duolingo, which requires me to write and speak phrases, I have gained basic conversational ability rather fast (I can use it with my wife, who already speaks German). Ironically, though I count German as a "side course" to my Chinese, I might actually have more practical use for German, as I may be going to Austria in the coming years. 7 Quote
Popular Post alantin Posted April 16, 2022 at 10:33 AM Author Popular Post Report Posted April 16, 2022 at 10:33 AM Q1 overview: I went strong for the first two months consistently doing more everything than what my targets were, but then Ukraine happened and completely destroyed my ability to concentrate on anything for weeks except watching the Game of Thrones unfold on our backyard. When I got used to that (sort of) the Covid situation went to hell in Shanghai and other places in China, and pretty consistently everyone I care about in China are in the middle of it all, in addition to it (and the Ukraine situation) causing some grief at work. So for the last month or two my Chinese studies went to background and I've pretty much only hung on to my regular chats with tutors three to five hours a week. Looking at the number of hours spent, I reached 90% of my goal for the Q1 pretty much nailing and even surpassing my Listening, Speaking and Handwriting targets and almost finished my target for typing practice which is about seeing characters and typing the pinyin including the tones right based on it. However I only did about half of the reading I intended. It is the weakest routine for me, so it is the first one to go when something happens. Reading Writing Typing Speaking Listening Left Of Total Q1 41 -6 3 -10 -3 25 266 16.4.2022 Reading Writing Typing Speaking Listening Percentage of expected up to now 47 % 104 % 62 % 148 % 92 % Reflecting on my more qualitative goals for the year. One of the main goals I set for my self four months ago was "Talk with tutors without looking up words. Reduce thinking time. Improve pronunciation". I got feedback from a tutor today was that I speak a lot faster than in January and that I don't stop to look for word that much anymore. The latter part I've noticed myself too. So it seems that I'll be able to have pretty good results by the end of the year regarding my conversation skills related goals. My Reading and Writing are taking a hit quickly after not not doing them for a month or so, but I feel they are pretty quick to get back on track once I get my mojo back. I'm going to be able to get pretty long summer holidays this year, so I expect to get a lot of motivation for my Chinese studies then. I also tend to be a bit bipolar with my language studies so I'm not worrying about the slump. I also regard these goals and the data gathering more as an interesting exercise to analyze my own behavior and a way to give myself motivation rather than as any hard quantitative and qualitative targets. 7 Quote
Insectosaurus Posted April 16, 2022 at 01:04 PM Report Posted April 16, 2022 at 01:04 PM @alantinYou listen as much in a day as I do in a week. Well done. Quote
Moshen Posted May 30, 2022 at 01:46 PM Report Posted May 30, 2022 at 01:46 PM It's not yet halfway through 2022, but here is an interim report. I had posted that one of my goals was to go through as many graded readers as I could find at my level (HSK 4.5), and I feel that's been a breakthrough for me. Later when I have a chance I'll post notes on the different series of graded readers and their pros and cons from my point of view, but right now I've started on the Graded Readers for Chinese Language Learners series from Beijing Language and Culture University Press and that's perfect for me. First, it has no English whatsoever; definitions are provided in Chinese. Second, I know almost all the characters that are not flagged or defined, but I don't know the corresponding words and expressions. There are quite a few words and expressions I need to look up, but this is a pleasure since afterwards it's easier for me to remember their meaning since I am already familiar with the characters making them up. Third, the narrative storytelling is well done and just repetitious enough that it's easy to keep reading on without getting annoyed. Fourth, in comparison with some other graded readers I tried that were translated from Western languages, the language has more of a Chinese flavor - more idiomatic. So I feel like I'm learning a lot with exactly the right level of challenge. Yay! 3 Quote
suMMit Posted May 31, 2022 at 03:49 AM Report Posted May 31, 2022 at 03:49 AM On 5/30/2022 at 9:46 PM, Moshen said: Graded Readers for Chinese Language Learners series from Beijing Language and Culture University Press Do you know the title of these in Chinese? I'd like to order them on Taobao. Are the levels listed by hsk level or their own system? Which would correspond to HSK4? Also, I'm currently finishing up the HSK4下 until 11 “读书好,读好书,好读书“ and next class he's going to want to discuss what I like reading. I've tried before to explain Graded Readers and websites like DuChinese and Chairman's Bao and never comes out very eloquent. Can anyone help me with a good description of this concept in Chinese? I was also reminded that I posted on this thread that a goal for this year was to read all the level Two and Three Chinese breeze books. However, I'm way behind on that. I have so much other stuff going that I often feel too lazy to pick up a paper book. So today I grabbed one "Secrets of a Computer Company" and decided to see if I could finish I in one sitting. Turned out I did it with ease, pretty quickly and it was quite enjoyable. Going to push myself to do that more often. Quote
Moshen Posted May 31, 2022 at 08:41 AM Report Posted May 31, 2022 at 08:41 AM Here is the link for the Level 1 books. You can take the ISBNs and find the titles in Chinese: https://www.purpleculture.net/advanced_search_result/?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=Graded+Readers+for+Chinese+Language+Learners+(Folktales) They have level 1 (500 characters), level 2 (800 characters) and level 3 (1200 characters). This doesn't correspond to the HSK system because they are counting characters, not words. I feel I should be able to handle the level 2 but I started on level 1 and as I said am finding it challenging. If you've finished HSK 4, then you should do fine with level 1 and find level 2 a bit more challenging. What's great is that level 2 includes abridged versions of the four classic Chinese novels, each in 4 or 6 volumes. The books start with a two-page instructional introduction, which I didn't read, but which should explain everything well enough to your teacher. I want to say also that although the books are G-rated and in that sense suitable for kids, they're not oversimplified children's books. They're a much better read than the simplified short stories in Sinolingua's Graded Chinese Reader 500 Words or Graded Chinese Reader 1000 Words, which I found flat and completely uninteresting. Quote
黄有光 Posted May 31, 2022 at 10:01 AM Report Posted May 31, 2022 at 10:01 AM My 2022 studies are progressing apace. I shall probably write something up about them as soon as I cross 20.000 words in my vocabulary. I am sitting at *checks notes* 19.463 right now, so it shouldn't be too much longer. Probably by the time I finish reading 猫城记。 Quote
Popular Post 黄有光 Posted June 18, 2022 at 05:24 PM Popular Post Report Posted June 18, 2022 at 05:24 PM Well, I've officially done it! I've reached 20.000 words. Here's my post from Reddit: Quote Wow, I can’t believe it’s been a whole year since the last time I posted in this series! Holy crap. Time flies. But it’s time for another update on my progress. I hope other learners can find some inspiration in this journal of sorts. The last time I posted, I had finally acquired a vocabulary of 10.000 words in Chinese. It was a huge achievement — one that I had been looking forward to for a very long time. I’m very proud to announce that I have now doubled that, learning an additional 10.000 words in roughly one year. I now have a total vocabulary of approximately 20.000 words. As always, there are some caveats: This represents passive vocabulary only. My active vocabulary is much more limited (and also verging on impossible to estimate, so I’m not even going to bother trying). This is an approximate number, based on the figures that Chinese Text Analyser gives me. It could easily be off by ~1.000 words in either direction, I think. But I believe it is overall a good estimate. In the time since I last posted, I have continued my strategy of learning vocabulary through reading. You can read about my exact study habits in my previous posts if you want. To date, I have read: The Witches, by Roald Dahl(女巫) Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, by Roald Dah(查理和巧克力工厂) The Giver, by Lois Lowry(记忆传授人) The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, by C.S. Louis(狮子、女巫、和魔衣柜) Prince Caspian, by C.S. Louis(凯斯宾王子) The Magician’s Nephew, by C.S. Louis(魔法师的外甥) Voyage of the Dawn Treader, by C.S. Louis(黎明踏浪号) The Hunger Games, by Suzanne Collins(饥饿游戏) Catching Fire, by Suzanne Collins(燃烧的女孩) Mockingjay, by Suzanne Collins(嘲笑鸟) 猫城记, by 老舍 (If you have any recommendations for native Chinese novels that aren’t by 古龙,老舍,余华,刘慈欣,or 金庸 published between 1920-present day, I would LOVE to hear your suggestions. Please comment and let me know!) By gradually stepping up the difficulty of books that I am reading, I have hoped to organically develop higher reading comprehension. I think that strategy has largely been successful. Let’s talk about what I’ve achieved alongside my vocabulary growth. Where do my skills stand now? Listening Comprehension I am pleased to report that my listening comprehension is definitely better than it was before. I am starting to be able to understand news broadcasts about familiar topics (I particularly like to watch videos by 德国之声). I think most of my improved listening comprehension comes down to two factors. Firstly, knowing more vocabulary means I’m not tripped up nearly as much trying to figure out the meaning of unknown words. Secondly, the large amount of written content I’ve consumed has made me more familiar with language patterns in Mandarin Chinese. I think that second factor is actually really important, because I notice that both my reading and listening comprehension are strongest when the sentence content is predictable, but very susceptible to breaking down if the content is statistically unlikely. For example, if a book or broadcaster says something predictable like “The volcano is erupting”, I’ll understand that very readily. But if they say something like “The volcano is an armed fortress of serenity”, I’ll have problems, even though I know all of the words involved. I’ll make another mention of this below. There are other things that I continue to have trouble with. Of course, rapid speech is very difficult, and regional accents may mean I have to work harder to understand what is being said. The bigger problem, though, is in contractions, slurred speech, very quiet or whispered speech, and atonal speech or speech that is only mildly tonal. I have noticed that only newscasters seem to pronounce every tone with precision and clarity. When I hear casual conversation — even in the context of movies or TV series — tones in some words seem to be either absent or “sloppily” pronounced, almost like a 草书 version of tones. I notice this most frequently at the ends of sentences, in quiet speech, and in unstressed parts of sentences. I can only assume I will understand this phenomenon better as I become more experienced. I can understand a much wider variety of video content than before, even though I remain pretty dependent on Chinese subtitles. Despite my progress, my listening comprehension and speaking ability both remain quite poor compared to what one would expect of someone with my level of vocabulary. Unfortunately I simply haven’t had much opportunity to practice speaking with others, and I have found very little audio or video content that appeals to me. I still want to attend conversation lessons as soon as possible. I’ve been wanting to do that for well over a year now, but it just hasn’t been in the cards for me. Hopefully soon. Reading Comprehension My reading comprehension has vastly improved. I can read much more smoothly and quickly than before, and my reading stamina has noticeably improved as well. Whereas I used to read only a few pages at a time before becoming mentally tired, now I can generally read 1-3 full chapters of a book before mental exhaustion becomes a serious factor. An interesting knock-on effect is that my ability to smoothly read aloud has improved significantly as well, even though I read silently almost 100% of the time. This is weird and unexpected to me. I am at a point where I can read simple novels more or less completely unaided now, and fully understand both the plot and most details. My choice of reading here is still pretty limited (think Chronicles of Narnia, childrens’ authors like Roald Dahl or E.B. White, or works like Heidi), however this represents a significant improvement over my previous update, in which I could not read even these works without being heavily reliant on a dictionary. If I allow myself the aid of a dictionary — especially with my habit of pre-studying vocabulary — I am now able to pretty easily tackle books aimed at a much older target audience, such as Ender’s Game, Harry Potter, The Andromeda Strain, 猫城记, 活着, and other books of comparable difficulty. Unknown hanzi are much, much less common than they used to be. I checked the first few pages of The Golden Compass and did not find a single hanzi I didn’t know. Although reading in Chinese is easier for me now, it is still relatively exhausting compared to reading in my native language. It takes more effort, and I often question if I have understood something correctly. 猫城记 was a challenge because there were many sections — some of them pages long! — where I understood every word but still had no idea what the author was trying to communicate. This was pretty frustrating and demotivating. I had planned on tackling 英雄无泪 next, but I would like to have a fun read first before getting into something that will probably have me scratching my head a lot again. Many of the sections I had trouble with in 猫城记 were: very long monologues, where comprehension requires you to network everything that is being said together in your mind, or sentences or paragraphs that said something which, from the perspective of predictive text, would be statistically unusual (for example describing a house as having four walls but no roof). Basically, when a sentence diverges from what I would expect it to say, I start having problems. This isn’t an issue I expected to ever encounter when I started learning Chinese seven years ago. At this point, I believe I could probably pass the HSK6 organically. That is, I believe I could pass it without deliberately prepping for it in any way. I’d like to test that theory sometime in the next year or so! In the meantime, these are my goals for the rest of the year: I would like to study my way through at least 6 more books this year. I’d also like to casually read an additional 3 books unaided. I would like to reach a total vocabulary of 25.000 words. I would like to watch at least 10 movies in Mandarin Chinese. If possible, I would like to begin taking conversation classes. These goals are really important to me because my husband and I have moved to the Netherlands and intend to naturalize here. I will need to start learning Dutch soon. So, I am trying to meet these goals by the end of this year so I can devote all of my time and effort to Dutch starting next January. I am eager to apply everything I have learned about effectively studying these past couple of years to Dutch! I expect they will allow me to make lightning progress with it, especially given that I already speak German. 5 Quote
Moshen Posted June 18, 2022 at 06:23 PM Report Posted June 18, 2022 at 06:23 PM Quote there were many sections — some of them pages long! — where I understood every word but still had no idea what the author was trying to communicate. This was pretty frustrating and demotivating. Wouldn't it help immensely to go over such passages with a teacher? That way, you might get a better idea of what it is that is tripping you up in such passages. For instance, is it the level of language (more colloquial, more formal), is it the author's style, is it not knowing the cultural background or something else? You might find that your incomprehension has little to do with a language barrier per se. 1 Quote
黄有光 Posted June 18, 2022 at 07:25 PM Report Posted June 18, 2022 at 07:25 PM On 6/18/2022 at 8:23 PM, Moshen said: Wouldn't it help immensely to go over such passages with a teacher? That way, you might get a better idea of what it is that is tripping you up in such passages. For instance, is it the level of language (more colloquial, more formal), is it the author's style, is it not knowing the cultural background or something else? You might find that your incomprehension has little to do with a language barrier per se. Absolutely it would. Unfortunately hiring a teacher just hasn't been in the cards for me --- especially now that I am working a physically demanding full time job plus extra work on the weekends. I'm exhausted basically all the time now. Quote
Woodford Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:20 AM Report Posted July 2, 2022 at 02:20 AM And just like that, we're halfway through the year! It looks like my reading goals have been going very well, better than expected. I've read a bunch of books, including the three I had been planning to read--"Funeral of a Muslim," "Life and Death are Wearing Me Out," and "Fortress Besieged." Those three books (my 20th, 21st, and 24th overall) felt like a significant setback. Before that, my experience of reading Chinese was one of continuous, smooth improvement, with each book (usually) feeling easier than the previous one. I think that all along I was setting aside the more difficult books to read later, but ultimately, there's no escaping them. Eventually, I would have to read those books that are in a higher literary register, and it wouldn't be easy. Sure enough, they haven't been easy. On the other hand, how can I improve if I only read the easy stuff and don't read the hard stuff? So I'm quite happy about the whole experience, and I do feel like my reading skills are greatly benefiting from it. The trends are looking good, and I am quickly shedding my dependence on the Pleco dictionary. In my current book, I've only had to use it about once every 10 or 11 pages. That's an all-time record thus far! I've been plotting my progress (like a real data nerd), and it seems like I'm heading into a season in which my reading practice will yield extremely diminishing returns. The kind of progress I would once see in three months, for instance, might now require three years of practice. Of course, the longer you do something, the more slowly you progress. It looks like that reality will really be felt in about 5-10 more books. It won't mean that I'm some kind of native-level reading expert (I'll never be), but it does mean that I should feel happy and shift my efforts to weaker skills, especially listening. And I think lots of listening will give me a more intuitive grasp of all this vocabulary, which will then mean, later down the road, I'll be a better reader. In the meantime, I have been keeping up with some modest listening practice. I can understand more and more stuff, especially when my attention is focused. And that's been the real challenge. Even when listening to English audio, my mind can wander--especially when I'm distracted by my own thoughts/activities, or I find the subject boring, or I don't like the delivery style, etc. I feel like that problem is very much compounded when I'm listening to a language that isn't native to me. Nevertheless, I'm really encouraged by how much I can understand when I can pay attention. Which isn't all the time. My iTalki speaking practice has completely crumbled. That's probably the one failure story of the year thus far. I figure I'll get back into it when my focus shifts away from reading, and I am hyper-focused on reading for the coming months. 1 Quote
Moshen Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:17 AM Report Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:17 AM Quote I've been plotting my progress (like a real data nerd), and it seems like I'm heading into a season in which my reading practice will yield extremely diminishing returns. I don't understand this. I mean, I don't understand the thinking underlying this. For you, is improvement the whole point? I would have thought the enjoyment itself is the point. But there you write as if without tangible improvement you can plot on your graphs, your project is falling apart. On the contrary, I would think it is succeeding like crazy. You are getting better and better returns from your investment of time and energy. (As you indicated elsewhere.) Maybe I've plucked out an errant sentence that doesn't represent how you really feel. But from that sentence it sounds similar to someone looking at their investment portfolio and complaining that it's not growing much any more... when the point is having all the money they really need. Perhaps you should stop making graphs and just enjoy the reading. Quote
黄有光 Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:43 AM Report Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:43 AM My year is going quite well. My original goal was to finish reading a minimum of 10 books this year, with 13 books being my chosen stretch goal. After quickly reviewing my reading list and running some numbers, I believe I am on track to hit my stretch goal. So far, I have read (or am in the process of finishing): 星火燎原, Suzanne Collins者 自由幻梦, Suzanne Collins者 猫城记,老舍者 足下的恋人,易修罗者 My reading list for the rest of the year might look something like this (definitely subject to change): 5. 天外病菌,Michael Crichton者 6. 别让我走,Kazuo Ishiguro者 7. 流浪地球,刘慈欣者 8. 英雄无泪,古龙者 9. 秘密花园,Frances Burnett者 10. 哈利波特与魔法石, J.K. Rowling者 11. 哈利波特-消失的密室,J.K. Rowling者 12. 哈利波特-阿茲卡班的逃犯,J.K.Rowling者 13. 哈利波特-火盃的考驗,J.K.Rowling者 This year is proving to be a long-awaited pivotal point in my Chinese studies. I have discovered -- at long last -- that I am able to extensively read news articles and novels without the aid of a dictionary. With news articles I do have to pick and choose a bit based on the topic, but I am not catastrophically limited like I once was. I have adopted a habit of reading one news article per day in Chinese during my daily morning news intake. So far, I have read about Florida's “Don't Say Gay" law going into effect, Russia's retreat from Snake Island, Nicola Sturgeon's Indyref2 announcement, and the effect of Roe v. Wade's overturning on various communities around the world. The only word I needed to look up when reading any of these articles was 堕胎, "abortion". Other than that one exception, my reading comprehension of these articles has been high, with very very few gaps in vocabulary. As far as extensively reading novels goes, I discovered that I was able to read Harry Potter unaided a few days ago as well. I decided to use this as an opportunity to improve my listening comprehension and hopefully my reading speed as well, so I am following along with an audiobook and trying to get through at least one chapter per day. Following along with an audiobook has been really beneficial for a few reasons. First, I don't have to worry about correctly subvocalizing every 汉字. I I also don't have to worry about the meaning of every single unknown word (which I would tend to do if I were reading independently). Instead, I can just focus on following the story. Secondly, I believe that following along with the audiobook may help me improve my reading speed. That's just a hunch -- I don't really have evidence to back it up. And thirdly, consuming four books' worth of audiobook content (Harry Potter 1-4) will unquestionably do much to improve my listening comprehension. I would like to eventually transition to only listening, without following along with the text also. But I will probably wait for a while before I do that, maybe until I have the first four books under my belt. Achieving at 20.000 words this level of comprehension which is both broad and deep is allowing my consumption of Chinese content to explode. I expect my passive acquisition of vocabulary and grammatical patterns to increase by quite a bit as well, especially with audiobooks. My new routine is: one news article per day, one chapter of audiobook per day, and one chapter of a print novel per day, as well as 30 new words studied in Anki. On average, Anki takes me about an hour to complete, the print chapter takes maybe 30 minutes, the audiobook chapter takes about an hour, and the news article takes maybe 5 minutes, so I'm spending about 2.5 hours per day on studying Chinese, give or take. Not bad! I am also looking forward to consuming more and more native content, as well. I will be interested to see how easy or difficult 英雄无泪 is. That will likely be a determining factor in what kinds of novels I prioritize in my reading list for the rest of this year. 1 Quote
Woodford Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:41 PM Report Posted July 2, 2022 at 08:41 PM On 7/2/2022 at 3:17 AM, Moshen said: But there you write as if without tangible improvement you can plot on your graphs, your project is falling apart. On the contrary, I would think it is succeeding like crazy. Correct! I count it as success, and I’m feeling good about it. Quote
phoneticsem Posted July 2, 2022 at 09:47 PM Report Posted July 2, 2022 at 09:47 PM Goal: Understand Compositions from my Examination Papers. (Without the aid of dictionary, but keep checking the words which i do not know) What had been done: Had gone through 3 compositions. Re-reading them and get 100% from those Compositions and play with all those vocabulary, before proceeding. What to do next: As Chinese subject marks are not counted for junior college admissions focus on other subjects more. Read Chinese 15-30 minutes daily at the eod, only after reading other subjects What not do: 1. Stop discussing on methodology, which is neither conclusive nor ending and just follow the methodology which worked for me in learning 2 languages 2. Do not cross 30 minutes a day for reading and other activities related to Chinese. And do not do any learning related to Chinese before 7:30 PM Quote
黄有光 Posted July 11, 2022 at 09:03 PM Report Posted July 11, 2022 at 09:03 PM As we move into the second half of this year, my intensive studies of Chinese are slowly drawing to a close. I told myself that I would begin learning Dutch in January, and there is no way I can juggle memorizing vocabulary across both languages. I've done that before, and it just isn't effective for me. I end up going less than half the speed for each language if I try. But the end of intensive Chinese study doesn't mean the end of Chinese study, period! My priorities will simply have to shift. When I started my intensive study project at the beginning of last year, my goal was to get to a point where I could read adult literature without the aid of a dictionary as rapidly as possible. For certain literature, I'm already there! I can breathe a sigh of relief -- earlier this year I was wondering if 25.000 words would truly be enough for me to comfortably drop vocabulary studies, and here I am at 20.000 words, sittin' pretty. I now have the minimum vocabulary I need to read literature and enjoy it, as long as it's not too advanced. I've been giving a lot of thought to how I am going to balance Dutch and Chinese next year, and I think I've developed a pretty satisfying arrangement in my head. My weakest skill in Chinese by far is listening comprehension. My listening comprehension is simply dreadful. Luckily for me, improving listening comprehension doesn't really involve intensive study, which means working on that can dovetail quite nicely with my Dutch studies. So here's the plan: First Six Months of 2023 Build a foundational Dutch vocabulary (3000-5000 words). Prioritize irregular/strong verbs. Master pronunciation via intensive exercise Learning grammar should take low priority during this time. If it is difficult to understand, I will push it off to a later date. Goal should be a minimum of 10 words per day, escalating to 30 words per day as quickly as possible. Consume as much audio content in Chinese as possible Read along with the text while listening to audiobooks. Begin by reading along while the audiobook plays. Next step is audio only, listening to stories I am already familiar with. Final step is transition to audiobooks depicting stories I am unfamiliar with, with no accompanying text. Watch news videos, blogs, documentaries, movies, and TV series as much as possible Goal should be to consume >1.5 hours of audio/video content per day. Continue to consume written media in Chinese, but at a reduced rate Goal is to read something in Chinese every day. Content must be more advanced than dialogue, internet conversation, manga, etc. Web articles, blog posts, news articles, book chapters, short stories are acceptable examples. Reading is deprioritized, at least temporarily, so no concrete goal is set for total consumption. Second Six Months of 2023 Transition to serious study of productive skills in Dutch. Grammar should be highly prioritized at this stage, especially any trickier details that were ignored earlier in the year Vocabulary should be rapidly increased to 30 words per day if this has not already been accomplished. Speaking and writing should be highly prioritized as well. A tutor should be hired for early conversation practice, ideally 3 times per week. Effort should be made to use Dutch as much as possible in everyday life. This goes hand in hand with ongoing efforts to integrate successfully into Dutch society. Reading should begin as soon as possible. Progress with Chinese listening comprehension should be assessed. Assuming sufficient progress with listening comprehension, Chinese practice will be further deprioritized. From this point on, Chinese study will largely cease, and content will be consumed for personal enrichment and fun. Effort will be made to consume Chinese content on a daily or bi-daily basis. I am largely pleased with this roadmap. I think it gives me a really good shot at properly balancing Dutch and Chinese, and making the most of things. My biggest concern, of course, is to avoid any significant deterioration of skill. I have achieved this level of Chinese very quickly. Experience tells me that the faster you learn something, the faster you are likely to forget it, so I shall have to be vigilant about maintaining a decent intake of content in Chinese to preserve my ability. I am hoping that I will be able to return to intensive Chinese study after ~3 years of Dutch studies. We will see. 3 1 Quote
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