x_o 88 Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:33 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:33 AM i saw this character in a newspaper, but have no idea how to pronounce it, and i can not find this word in the dictionary! the left side is a 由 and the right side is a 页. does anyone know what character this is?! thanks! Quote
Quest Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:35 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:35 AM are you sure it's not 邮? Quote
x_o 88 Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:36 AM Author Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:36 AM yes, sure. it was in a person's name!. Quote
Quest Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:38 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:38 AM Okay I found it in the dictionary, it's di2 頔 meaning 美好 Quote
x_o 88 Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:40 AM Author Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:40 AM Thanks! is there anyway you could type it in simplified for me? because i can not find this word in simplified anywhere! Quote
skylee Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:44 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 12:44 AM 頔 According to Xiandai Hanyu Cidian, the pronunciation is di2, and the meaning is "美好，多用於人名". Quote
x_o 88 Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:08 AM Author Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:08 AM thanks! but is there no way to type this character in simplified?! Quote
Yuchi Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:36 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:36 AM I don't think it has a simplification edit: let me look somemore Quote
x_o 88 Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:39 AM Author Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:39 AM ^ well i saw it in print o_o. is this character that rarely used? Quote
Glenn Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:44 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 03:44 AM I couldn't find it when I entered "di" or when I looked in the character palette, so I'm going with no simplified form. [Edit] There are two that I'd like to know about. The first looks like 先 with a 一 on top of it, and the second looks like 会 with a 不 on top. Anyone have any ideas? Quote
chenpv Posted October 5, 2005 at 04:40 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 04:40 AM totally agree with Skylee. you can simplify the right part of this character to '页':) PS: skylee,好久没有读到你的帖子了，呵呵。 Quote
Mugi Posted October 5, 2005 at 07:54 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 07:54 AM Glenn, the short answer is that the 会 with a 不 on top has been created by 闽 (mǐn) speakers to represent, you guessed it, 不会, in a similar way to 甭 (béng) having been created for the phonetic merging of 不 and 用 in Mandarin. You'll see the character (and variations of it) a lot in Fujian, Taiwan and Guangdong. It's actually a little more complicated than this. Let me know if you'd like a fuller explanation. Can't help with the 一 and 先 character yet - will have a search for it tonight once I get home. By the way, where did you come across these characters? Quote
nipponman Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:51 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:51 AM Are these the same characters you asked about on Teach yourself Japanese's board? Cause I can't see them. Quote
Glenn Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:55 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:55 AM Thanks for the answer; I had figured it would be something like that. I came across them in the character palette. There are lots like them, which I'm guessing are characters idiosyncratic of differenct dialects/languages. For instance, there's 冇, which I understand as being a Cantonese character for 没有. The two that I was wondering about are both in bold typeface in the character palette, which makes me think that all of the ones in bold are similar. Here are some more examples: Quote
Glenn Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:57 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:57 AM Are these the same characters you asked about on Teach yourself Japanese's board? Cause I can't see them. Yes, they are. I think they're only supported by Unicode, so if your browser can't handle Unicode you'll get nonsense. Quote
gougou Posted October 5, 2005 at 11:26 AM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 11:26 AM Yes, they are. I think they're only supported by Unicode, so if your browser can't handle Unicode you'll get nonsense.With Firefox's encoding set to Unicode, I still only see question marks... Quote
Glenn Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:35 PM Report Posted October 5, 2005 at 10:35 PM Well, in that case I'm not sure. Can anyone see them aside from me? Quote
Mugi Posted October 6, 2005 at 04:36 AM Report Posted October 6, 2005 at 04:36 AM Interesting. The characters appear perfectly on my computer here at work (Japanese IE 6, set to unicode), but I can't copy them into any other application. My computer at home on the other hand, which should be running the same software, only shows black dots. However, I can copy the characters into a word file and they come out fine so long as I use a Hong Kong font set. Quote
Mugi Posted October 6, 2005 at 05:33 AM Report Posted October 6, 2005 at 05:33 AM Looking at these characters, most of them (if not all) are 方言字 that don't appear in standard font sets. I can tell you straight off that the [口兮] character is often used in mainland China to represent the possessive pronoun in Hakka (客家話), equivalent to 的 in Mandarin. They're not all from a single dialect, although some may be used by more than one dialect - for instance 冇 is also often used in Hakka (in the same way as in Cantonese) as well as in many 闽 dialects, where it means 不实. [口了] is used by several dialects in place of 了 when the colloquial pronunciation (白音) differs from literary pronunciation (文音). [口山] is apparently used in Kunming (昆明) as a sentence final particle. Can't comment on any of the others yet without further investigation. Quote
Glenn Posted October 6, 2005 at 09:15 AM Report Posted October 6, 2005 at 09:15 AM How are you finding all of this information? Do you have some encylopedia of dialectical characters or something? This is quite impressive. Quote
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