Are there visitors who have psychiatric illness but remained at china one or couple of years with official programs?

[inv]

Hi, I know that not everyone are willing to explain everything outright  in this regard but consider that your responses may be useful as same as normal users. 

I wonder these exactly:

I may either consider to attend MSc courses or HSK preparation (Chinese Language Programs) The first one will require around two years to remain there and the second one approximately 1 years.

And I ask whether this would be possible. Otherwise will they directly disqualify me as soon as I show my physical examination form?

 

 

Thanks.

[abcdefg]

This question has gathered dust now for a week. Perhaps everyone has been too polite to point out the obvious: China is not a good place to be, for one year or for two years, if you have mental health challenges. China is not a nation with a history of being attentive to and understanding of mental/emotional handicaps. Furthermore, it is difficult to find effective treatment, should it prove to be needed while you are there. 

 

On 3/7/2023 at 9:10 AM, inv said:

And I ask whether this would be possible. Otherwise will they directly disqualify me as soon as I show my physical examination form?

 

It depends what is recorded on your physical examination form. How damaging it is. How worrisome or scary the officials find it during a cursory review. If in doubt, the answer is usually "no." This is a trait of all bureaucratic process. Some minor functionary in the visa office is unlikely to stick his neck out for you if there are questions in his mind as to your suitability for the task of studying in China and remaining in reasonably good health during the process. 

 

A visa bureaucrat does not like taking chances on whether or not you will later cause him trouble through misbehavior or through a crackup. His superiors will criticize his judgement. On the other hand, if he says "no" to you, none of his peers or bosses will bat an eye. A refusal is seen as "Lao Wang is just doing his job."

 

 

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Double posted.

[inv]

On 3/14/2023 at 4:00 PM, abcdefg said:

This question has gathered dust now for a week.

   

 

On 3/14/2023 at 4:00 PM, abcdefg said:

Perhaps everyone has been too polite to point out the obvious:

 

but you also prefer NOT make  clear points, for instance:

On 3/14/2023 at 4:00 PM, abcdefg said:

China is not a good place to be, for one year or for two years, if you have mental health challenges.

this is not clear to me , because as you may know, psychiatric illnesses can be divided too many types,such as : schizophrenia , obsessive compulsive disorder, personality disorders, identity disorders. In fact , while none of these are same, there are interesting points in my hand like this: a patient with schizophrenia can have more qualified life than a patient with obsessive compulsive disorder. I see some terms regarding this issue on physical examination form which still makes the case vague. 

 

On 3/14/2023 at 4:00 PM, abcdefg said:

China is not a nation with a history of being attentive to and understanding of mental/emotional handicaps. Furthermore, it is difficult to find effective treatment, should it prove to be needed while you are there. 

could you further explain , whether you did mean : "it would be difficult for you to find a doctor specialized in psychiatry who can prescribe suitable drugs."

in my aside, I have been using just one drug more than 5 years. The only thing I will potentially need is that a doctor would prescribe one drug which I have been using more than 5 years per month. no more things. 

 

it seems simple. But of course there are some probabilities , for instance I imagine "what will happen if I feel myself rather discomforted anytime while I am there?" 

in this case, I think the solution should not be so much difficult and I respond : "All  the thing I should do is to buy an air ticket and leave the country" 

of course,in this scenario, it is potential to lose something (like this one: the expected job options, the previous job options (may also be affected)

 

but since you express that almost all everything would not be alike I presumed, then that step should be applied! why not ?

 

 

On 3/14/2023 at 4:00 PM, abcdefg said:

It depends what is on your physical examination form. How damaging it is. How worrisome or scary the officials find it during a cursory review. If in doubt, the answer is usually "no." This is a trait of all bureaucratic process. Some minor functionary in the visa office is unlikely to stick his neck out for you if there are questions in his mind as to your suitability for the task of studying in China and remaining in reasonably good health during the process. 

 

A visa bureaucrat does not like taking chances on whether or not you will later cause him trouble through misbehavior or through a crackup. His superiors will criticize his judgement. On the other hand, if he says "no" to you, none of his peers or bosses will bat an eye. A refusal is seen as "Lao Wang is just doing his job."

 

 

 

some details would be good to respond these questions:

 

1) what should NOT be available on physical examination form ?

(to me, not all types of psychosis (including schizophrenia) are risk for public)

2) how do they decide the qualitative term here "worrisome" and/or "scary"  and

3) from whats do they "doubt"?

4) what does "good health" mean there? For instance does not it prove to one has had good health if he/she has NOT had any problem during last 5 years?

 

apart from my case, I believe that the answers and details would be highly effective for the relevant people so as to make a decision or find a solution to their necessities. 

I understand that there is an important responsibility in their hand when they -visa bureaucrat- make a decision for the case. but that also include someone's human rights. 

That should not be such an unimportant decision. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It certainly has been a pleasure trying to help clarify this issue for you @inv. If I can ever be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to let me know. 

[LinZhenPu]

Since you're taking the considered approach and you seem to have a strong desire to study in China, I gather you have discussed this with your treating specialist? Do they have any major concerns about you going to China for a year? If they are OK with it, then it's reasonable to say: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Do the potential benefits outweigh the risk? How big a loss do you face by not taking the opportunity to study in China vs how much damage will or could you cause to yourself in terms of health, career and your personal life if you find yourself unable to continue your studies and having to buy a plane ticket home?

Is a different brand of the medication you take available from an online pharmacy with the same active ingredient? Can you contact your current doctor while you are in China and get them to write you a prescription so you can order it online? Might a pharmacist in China perhaps even accept a scan of the prescription accompanied by a translation?

What are you planning to study and why do you want to go to China to study it? Is it because you want the experience of living in another country with a different culture? You want to get good at Chinese? China is the affordable place to go due to a scholarship?

[inv]

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

Since you're taking the considered approach and you seem to have a strong desire to study in China, I gather you have discussed this with your treating specialist? Do they have any major concerns about you going to China for a year? If they are OK with it, then it's reasonable to say: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Do the potential benefits outweigh the risk? How big a loss do you face by not taking the opportunity to study in China vs how much damage will or could you cause to yourself in terms of health, career and your personal life if you find yourself unable to continue your studies and having to buy a plane ticket home?

Is a different brand of the medication you take available from an online pharmacy with the same active ingredient? Can you contact your current doctor while you are in China and get them to write you a prescription so you can order it online? Might a pharmacist in China perhaps even accept a scan of the prescription accompanied by a translation?

What are you planning to study and why do you want to go to China to study it? Is it because you want the experience of living in another country with a different culture? You want to get good at Chinese? China is the affordable place to go due to a scholarship?

this comment makes way more sense than the former to me and I want to reply the questions one by one. 

 

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Since you're taking the considered approach and you seem to have a strong desire to study in China, I gather you have discussed this with your treating specialist?

in fact , yes ,I spoke with my doctor at a time , but not comprehensive in detail. 

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Do they have any major concerns about you going to China for a year? If they are OK with it, then it's reasonable to say: Nothing ventured, nothing gained

 

I think for this question , they might consult to my parents opinion. if my parents aggree, then it seems OK ,but this is my personal idea because when I proposed this at a time, my doctor did not say yes or no,I remember she asked me some questions but do not remember well. I aggree to you that I should discuss this with my doctor (a pschiatrist ,a doctor who is specialized in psychiatry)

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

Do the potential benefits outweigh the risk?

simply no. But if you want details. I think I know the time when I can cause any risk. meanwhile, the mentioned risk here is ,I think, same or lower than the risk for normal persons. To prove this ,Thanks to Allah ,I can say that I have never found myself in any law issue and police never arrested me or no investigation has been done for me until now.

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

How big a loss do you face by not taking the opportunity to study in China vs how much damage will or could you cause to yourself in terms of health, career and your personal life if you find yourself unable to continue your studies and having to buy a plane ticket home?

This is yes, one of the potentially biggest question. yeah yes. I think to make a better reply , I need some other questions' reply. Like this : will I be able to make my personal decision to leave China whenever I feel myself discomforted ? (Notion: here the discomfort is not alike any random discomfort: it should go on at least 3 weeks or longer to my opinion.)

 

and yes, the air tickets are really expensive from here to China. I think that collecting some money in my pocket or in bank would help.

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

Is a different brand of the medication you take available from an online pharmacy with the same active ingredient?

I do not know the answer to this question but I can ask to my doctor. 

 

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

Can you contact your current doctor while you are in China and get them to write you a prescription so you can order it online?

I do not know but with high potentiality NO.

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

Might a pharmacist in China perhaps even accept a scan of the prescription accompanied by a translation?

I do not know the answer for this question too. But I remember at a time from our social service in hospital the staff was saying something like this: "inv this is your right to take your medication at everywhere all around the world. "  

 

On 3/21/2023 at 1:24 AM, LinZhenPu said:

What are you planning to study and why do you want to go to China to study it? Is it because you want the experience of living in another country with a different culture?

 

The first question is important to me. I also see you tried to reason your opinion for the question. 

well, I may not answer this question as just one reason. There are many reasons for imagining to be in China. But First reason is,of course learning Chinese in its natural environment. I do not think that it would be same studying at my home alone. Experience of living in another country with a different culture is also a reason but not just one reason and surely not the core reason,too.