"ke4 bie2" ?

[Ferno]

I have heard this many times, but it doesn't show up as any 2-syllable word in any dictionaries. Not sure about the tone on "bie"

anyone know?

[LiYuanXi]

Hmm.. Can it be Ge4 Bie2? 个别， 各别 ？

[NYC]

Or 特别 te4bie2 "especially"

[amego]

Hmmm maybe its 可别 ke3 bie2

"你可别迟到。" "Don't be late."

[jbiesnecker]

Are you sure of the fourth tone on ke? If not, then it could be 可别, basically the same as 别 I think (as in 可别忘了).

[littlerain86719]

可别， 可别~~~

means " dont do that . dont !"

hehe , what a cute person you are to notice such tinny things

[Ferno]

hmm thanks ... either i got the first letter wrong from some reason ( ) and it's "t" like NYC said or I got the tone wrong on "ke"

i will listen for it again and remember the other words said with it

[Ferno]

heard it again with context...

"wei4shen2me fei1chang2 .."

i'm positive that's a 4th toen on "ke", and bie might be a 3rd tone.

[Quest]

i'm positive that's a 4th toen on "ke", and bie might be a 3rd tone.

"ke4bie3" doesn't exist in Mandarin, it's hard to pronounce too.

If you are certain "ke" is 4th tone, then it's probably 个别 ge4bie2, but then 为什么非常个别 doesn't make any sense. Actually, "为什么非常" and "非常个别" both sound odd.

[Ferno]

(really, how is it hard to pronounce )

this is so strange

i will keep listening

[amego]

It not hard to pronounce. It just sounds weird as no such word exists.

If you are certain "ke" is 4th tone, then it's probably 个别 ge4bie2, but then 为什么非常个别 doesn't make any sense. Actually, "为什么非常" and "非常个别" both sound odd.

I'm quite sure that it is 特别 te4 bie2 "special"

为什么非常特别 "Why is it so special?"

非常特别 "Very special."

[Ferno]

yes amego you are right

I was listening to a program meant for Chinese learners of English, the speaker was talking about Valentines day..

she said "....special occasion, fei1chang2 ke4bie2..." and also later "ke4bie2 jie2ri4" which can only make sense as "special holiday"

so my "ke4"bie2 means "special" and thus it's actually "te4"bie2 like you said..

this is strange, "k" and "t" are completely different sounds, with different toungue movements, etc... yet I continue to hear the "te" as "ke" . Maybe its because of the falling tone or something

[Ferno]

I just heard "te4bie2" on Chinesepod. Jenny says it at 7:45 in this podcast:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/chinesepod/chinesepod124_C25_20060207.mp3

(nondirect link: http://www.chinesepod.com/podcast/category/intermediate/ and then lesson 25)

can anyone confirm that there is no "k" sound at all there? Even a little bit? I am not hearing the "t" at all

thanks

[HashiriKata]

can anyone confirm that there is no "k" sound at all there? Even a little bit?

I can confirm that I heard it as "te4bie2".

"k" and "t" are completely different sounds

Not really. Both are (aspirated) voiceless stops.

[Mugi]

I could only hear it as "te4 bie2" as well...

[Ferno]

alright, that's strange i guess... don't know what's wrong with my hearing :o

thanks for your help

[Ferno]

I heard Ken Carrol (not Chinese) on Chinesepod.com pronounce "te4bie2" in one of the lessons, his pronounciation of the "t" seems much more like a "t" than a "k".

perhaps the Chinese "t" and English "t" are different?

[Ferno]

okay guys for your information I isolated Jenny saying "te4 bie2" in a Chinesepod podcast and had a non-Chinese speaking friend listen to it - they hearded it as a clear "t" sound.

guess my ears are broken

[amego]

alright, that's strange i guess... don't know what's wrong with my hearing :o

guess my ears are broken

Don't be despaired Ferno, your 耳朵s have no problem, just listen more and you'll get it Anyway me too have a hard time listening to Japanese, which I'm learning now.I just can't seem to catch it.